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Fallujah pullback opportunity, not necessarily agreement to end fight: Abizaid (MUST READ!!!)
AFP ^ | Fri, Apr 30, 2004 | AFP

Posted on 04/30/2004 9:47:18 AM PDT by Eurotwit

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The withdrawal of marines from Fallujah is "an opportunity, not necessarily an agreement" to end fighting for the city, the commander of US forces in Iraq (news - web sites) said, warning that military action may still be needed to root out foreign fighters.

General John Abizaid said the United States will not tolerate foreign fighters in the city, and will insist on heavy weapons coming off the streets and on freedom of movement for marines and Iraqi security forces.

He said it should be understood that "what we have there is an opportunity, and not necessarily an agreement."

"The opportunity is to build an Iraqi security force from former elements of the army that will work under the command of coalition forces and that will be mentored and work next to coalition forces," he told Pentagon (news - web sites) reporters in a video teleconference from Qatar.

"And I think we must be very careful in thinking that this effort to build an Iraqi capacity will necessarily calm down the situation in Fallujah tonight or over the next several days," he said.

Abizaid said all military options remained "on the table."

"It may still be necessary to conduct very robust military operations in Fallujah. We hope we don't have to do that," he said.

The general, who heads the US Central Command, singled out the need to get rid of foreign fighters -- and in particular Abu Mussab Zarqawi, who he said had used Fallujah as a base of operations.

"This idea that there will be a safe haven for him (Zarqawi) is absolutely unacceptable. Nor will we or our Iraqi partners allow foreign fighters to freely roam the country and attack indiscriminately and use Iraqi civilians as shields from which to conduct military operations," he said.

He said even the best Iraqi forces would be unable to bring Zarqawi's fighters under control.

"So we will have to eliminate that enemy in a way that does not allow that force to challenge us throughout Iraq and other places at other times. No doubt some will infiltrate out, and some will find other means to escape," he said.

Strikingly, Abizaid made no specific mention of former members of the old regime's security apparatus who are believed to be leading the insurgency in the Sunni heartland, including Fallujah.

The omission suggested that commanders hope the new force led by a former Iraqi major general will neutralize Baathist insurgents.

The general said he did not know Major General Jassem Mohamed Saleh, who will lead the Iraq Protection Army, a new Iraqi security force that will take over positions inside the city from the marines.

Iraqis cheered and waved flags as Saleh entered the city Friday, as marines began their withdrawal from the city, pulling down barbed wire defenses from around the soda factory that had served as their headquarters in the city's southern industrial area.

"Yes, there is some room for optimism there," Abizaid said. "But the details of how we will build an Iraqi security capacity there will take some time. We need to have some patience."

"It is a possible breakthrough, but certainly the conditions that must be met are foremost on our minds, and that has to do with the restoring of law and order in Fallujah," he said.

Asked about the fate of those who killed four US contractors in the city March 31, setting off the confrontation, Abizaid said getting them was a "non-negotiable objective."

"Now, I think it would be a stretch for you to say they are in Fallujah. I can't tell you that, nor can anyone else," he added.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: falluah; fallujah; ipa; iraq; iraqiarmy; iraqibrigade; iraqprotectionarmy; jassemsaleh
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Comment #141 Removed by Moderator

To: js1138
go look at response #140
142 posted on 04/30/2004 11:52:46 AM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals are the real Mind-Numbed Robots - No Brains, No Guts, No Character)
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To: oceanview
I can only imagine that they have done that. We'll see how it plays out.
143 posted on 04/30/2004 12:00:50 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: ZULU
"the lesson that terrorists, insurgents, Baathists, etc, can use civilians as shields and civilian population centers and mosques as sites to conduct effective anti-American propganada exercises with impugnity."

Up to a certain point. This hornets nest has 300,000 population, so we best be wise and patient, before taking out their so called IMPUGNITY, WHICH WE WILL DO.
145 posted on 04/30/2004 12:06:50 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: FreeReign
In "your taking-stock" did not you take note of the recent gallup poll showing that 57 percent of Iraqis now want U.S. troops to withdraw immediately. Do you call this 57 percent of Iraqis "bad guys" too?


147 posted on 04/30/2004 12:09:32 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: liz44040
Earlier AP wire:

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Today: April 30, 2004 at 9:21:45 PDT

Marines 'Reposition' Fallujah Forces

By BASSEM MROUE
ASSOCIATED PRESS

FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) -

Iraqi security forces took over positions from withdrawing U.S. Marines on Friday, and a U.S. official said an agreement had been reached to allow an Iraqi security force to patrol the city and end the monthlong siege.

Skirmishes continued in Fallujah, however, and a suicide car bombing killed two Marines and wounded six near their camp in the city, the military said. It gave no details of the attack.

Members of the 1,100-member force moved into the former Marine positions in southeastern Fallujah and raised the Iraqi flag. Military spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the Marines were "repositioning" their forces and would continue to maintain a strong presence in and around Fallujah.

Negotiations were also taking place in the southern city of Najaf, where tribal leaders and police discussed a proposal to end a standoff between soldiers and militiamen loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. In a sermon, al-Sadr remained defiant, saying he rejected "any appeasement with the occupation."

Meanwhile, an Iraqi police colonel, Ahmad al-Khazraji, was shot dead Thursday night in downtown Baghdad, the U.S. command said Friday. The body of a Baghdad area council member was found hung with a sign on his chest that said "al-Mahdi Army business," a reference to al-Sadr's militia.

"It appears he had been beaten, tortured and hung," Kimmitt said.

Kimmitt told reporters that the new Iraqi force in Fallujah will be "completely integrated" with Marines. He insisted that the Marines were not "withdrawing" from the city.

On Friday, convoys of troops and equipment could be seen heading out of parts of Fallujah.

"Initially it appears that the transition to the Fallujah Protective Army is working. It's a delicate situation. The Fallujah Protective Army is the Iraqi solution we've all been looking for in this area," Marine Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said.

The commander of the new force is Maj. Gen. Jassim Mohammed Saleh, a veteran of Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard. He shook hands with Marine commanders at a post on the southeastern entry to the city.

Kimmitt said he had no information on Saleh's background, but that the commander had been vetted by the Marines who had full confidence in him. A former general in the Iraqi army, Mohammed al-Askari, said Saleh served in the Republican Guards in the 1980s. He later commanded an Iraqi army division and headed the army's infantry forces.

A senior defense official at the Pentagon said the Iraqi soldiers' initial mission is to man checkpoints around the city. Marines will remain on or near the city's perimeter and plan at a later stage to conduct their own patrols inside the city, the official said on condition of anonymity.

The Iraqi force will be all-volunteer and will consist of former Iraqi soldiers from the Fallujah area who are approved by U.S. authorities, the official said.

Gen. John Abizaid, who heads U.S. military operations in the Middle East, told reporters at the Pentagon that the United States was sticking by most of the objectives it outlined when the Marines stormed Fallujah on April 5 - mainly to seize the men who brutally killed four American contractors. But Abizaid conceded that the killers had probably already fled the city.

He seemed to soften on previous demands that the guerrillas hand over foreign fighters and heavy weapons to U.S. forces.

"Clearly we will not tolerate the presence of foreign fighters," Abizaid said. "We will insist on the heavy weapons coming off the streets. We want the Marines to have freedom of maneuver along with the Iraqi security forces."

Foreign fighters, too, may have fled the city, a top U.S. military official in Baghdad said on Thursday. Others question whether many foreign fighters had ever joined the battle in Fallujah, characterizing it instead as a homegrown uprising. And weapons coming "off the streets" appears to be a softening of the previous demands to "turn over" heavy weapons to the Marines.

Saleh is a veteran of Saddam's Republican Guard. He met with tribal leaders in a mosque on Friday morning, wearing his uniform from the former Iraqi military with his general's insignia.

"Fallujah residents have chosen Maj. Gen. Jassim Mohammed Saleh to form and lead a unit that will be in charge of protecting the city," said Iraqi Brig. Gen. Shakir al-Janabi, who expects to be part of the new force. "Our force will handle the security issue today in cooperation with Iraqi police."

One of three battalions of U.S. Marines packed up and withdrew from most of its positions in an industrial zone in the southern area of the city. U.S. military guards permitted civilian cars to enter the city after undergoing searches.

In an apparent move to speed the Fallujah agreement, U.S. authorities Thursday released the imam of the city's main mosque, Sheik Jamal Shaker Nazzal, an outspoken opponent of the U.S. occupation who was arrested in October.

Fighting had continued between Marines and guerrillas during the negotiations.

Three F/A-18 Hornets flying off the aircraft carrier USS George Washington in the Gulf dropped three 500-pound bombs Thursday on targets in the Fallujah area, Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Danny Hernandez said.

Witnesses reported rockets fired into the Golan neighborhood, a bastion of the insurgency, and two houses were set on fire. Marines and guerrillas have clashed repeatedly in the northern district since Monday.

Hospital officials said more than 600 Iraqis, many of them civilians, have been killed in Fallujah along with 10 U.S. Marines. But the figures were disputed by Iraq's health ministry and an exact toll was not known.

Ten U.S. soldiers and a South African civilian were killed in attacks elsewhere in Iraq on Thursday, including eight Americans who died when a bomb hit as they tried to clear explosives from a road south of Baghdad.

Friday's American deaths raised to 128 the number of U.S. troops killed in combat in April, the bloodiest month for U.S. forces in Iraq.

At least 738 U.S. troops have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003. Up to 1,200 Iraqis also have been killed this month.

In Najaf, negotiations continued in to end the standoff with militiamen loyal to al-Sadr.

Ahmed Shaybani, a spokesman for al-Sadr, told The Associated Press that talks were under way between Najaf police and tribal leaders. He said a proposal emerged under which al-Sadr followers would hand over security to the Najaf police and Sadr's Mahdi army would leave the city.

Shaybani said the proposal would be accepted if the Americans agreed not to enter Najaf and did not act in a hostile way toward its holy sites. Al-Sadr would remain in the city.

In a sermon at a mosque in nearby Kufa, al-Sadr remained defiant.

"Some people have asked me to tone down my words and to avoid escalation with the Americans," al-Sadr said. "My response is that I reject any appeasement with the occupation and I will not give up defending the rights of the believers. America is the enemy of Islam and Muslims and jihad is the path of my ancestors."

Lt. Col. Pat White said U.S. forces were holding back to give talks a chance and out of respect for Friday, the Islamic day of prayer.

"We want to show that we respect what that day means to the Islamic world," White said, adding that U.S. forces will closely monitor the speeches that clerics give at prayer services.

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Associated Press correspondents Katarina Kratovac and Jason Keyser in Fallujah, and Denis D. Gray and Scheherazade Faramarzi in Najaf contributed to this report.

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148 posted on 04/30/2004 12:09:33 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: el_texicano
OK, so I posted before reading the whole thread. Fourty lashes for me.
149 posted on 04/30/2004 12:10:15 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Captain Kirk
"In "your taking-stock" did not you take note of the recent gallup poll showing that 57 percent of Iraqis now want U.S. troops to withdraw immediately. Do you call this 57 percent of Iraqis "bad guys" too?"

We knew it would be tough before June 30th. Polls suck.
151 posted on 04/30/2004 12:17:23 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: swarthyguy
"Generals should shut up and not bluster and blowhard about American reprisals if we aren't going to do it"

What makes you think we didn't do it?

152 posted on 04/30/2004 12:18:45 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
DO what? Bring the Baathis back? . That's the smartest thing we've done, albeit almost a year late.

153 posted on 04/30/2004 12:20:50 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Captain Kirk
In "your taking-stock" did not you take note of the recent gallup poll showing that 57 percent of Iraqis now want U.S. troops to withdraw immediately. Do you call this 57 percent of Iraqis "bad guys" too?

It's a War on Terror, not a War on people-who-want-us-to-withdraw-from-their-country.

Bad guys = Terrorists...

154 posted on 04/30/2004 12:23:17 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: jpsb
Hopefully quite a few of them are already feeding the worms at the Fallujah soccer stadium.
155 posted on 04/30/2004 12:24:14 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: FreeReign
The poll *also* showed that 50 percent of Iraqis now think that it is sometimes justified to attack American troops. If the insurgents are "bad guys" doesn't that also mean that these 50 percent are "bad guys" too?
156 posted on 04/30/2004 12:26:32 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: swarthyguy
"American reprisals "

If your info is limited to what you read on the AP wire than you have about 10% of the picture of what we did in Fallujah. If you think the thugs in that town are kicked back on deck chairs sipping Mai Tai's, you've badly underestimated our Marine Corps. Picture piles of rotting Jihadi corpses (which is reality), and then make your claim American General's have just been blowing smoke.

157 posted on 04/30/2004 12:28:17 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Captain Kirk
we cannot even get honest polling from the media in our own country, much less iraq. any poll taken in iraq is damn near worthless.
158 posted on 04/30/2004 12:29:19 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: liz44040
I am not sure, there was an active thread last night complete with maps talking about where we had them cornered (we thought ).

Here is the thread and map, see narrative at the bottom of the post:

Kill Box formed

159 posted on 04/30/2004 12:29:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Rokke
fair enough. now is the time to release some of that video, our own military should release it and explain what it being shown. Because the media is going to go in there now and make the place look like Jenin - every dead insurgent is going to be classied as an "innocent civilian".
160 posted on 04/30/2004 12:31:30 PM PDT by oceanview
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