Allegations renew nun's death case

Toledo Blade ^ | 25 april 2004 | David Yonke

[csvset]

Strange story. Why did he kill her?

[maryz]

There was an earlier post on this, but not so much detail. Are you in Toledo, csvset? If so, do you recall original coverage of the murder?

[WestTexasWend]

"Strange story. Why did he kill her?"

Well, if the ritual sacrifice story doesn't check out maybe he needed to keep her quiet about other activities.

Either way,(un)Holy Toledo...

[csvset]

I'm not in Toledo; I live in Virginia. I just happened to see this story while surfing the web. Curious, I looked at the local news source's take on the story.

I really do enjoy the programs about forensics, I've watched so many of them, my teenaged girls have taken to watching them with me.

[csvset]

Holy Toledo..

Lol, the same thing crossed my mind.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Ping. Bizarre.

[maryz]

I just wondered about a local connection. I suppose I could have thought of looking for a Toledo paper when the other post appeared yesterday, but I didn't . . . d'uh.

It really is amazing what forensic scientists can do today, isn't it? I don't watch the shows, but I do read murder mysteries (though, given a choice, I prefer the lighter ones), and it can be fascinating to see what they can get from the tiniest wisps and hints.

[maryz]

Isn't it utterly bizarre? I pinged narses (who was very active on the thread yesterday) but didn't use my whole ping list, since everyone would be pinged again by narses. I only wish I could think of this as an isolated aberration (redundant, yes?), but in view of other hints and rumors and reports . . . .

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

"Holy Toledo, Batman !"

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Um...yeah. Malachi Martin territory?

The problem with allegations this bizarre tends to be that that they are so outlandishly weird no one usually can believe them. Does that mean nothing criminal happened? Not necessarily.

If such crimes occurred with the perpetrators as actual clergymen, as alleged, it starts to make you wonder whether some form of diabolical possession is involved. One would certainly want hard evidence to back up such claims of cult crime.

What investigators should be looking for in such cases are details in the backgrounds of the accused which could link them with the occult or extreme sex (S&M porn, etc.). It is important for the purposes of understanding this kind of bizarre, criminal counter-culture to determine whether any of those accused were involved with such activities BEFORE they became clergymen. If such allegations are true, it would seem likely that such individuals would be connected with activities OUTSIDE of the ecclesiastical institutions as well. Just because someone joins a Catholic organization does not necessarily mean that is the main focus of their life. Insanely psychotic people and people with warped, twisted emotional development exist. Still, these allegations are very weird.

But mere affiliation with the church does not always mean that a person is free of criminal tendencies. And the devil stalks consecrated souls as well. The possibility that real supernatural evil is present is something that some investigators have difficulty dealing with. For one thing, it's NOT a human mind that is directing such activities.

[maryz]

I'm going to use my whole ping list now; narses had a chance.

[maryz]

the devil stalks consecrated souls as well.

I would think he would do so with particular intensity -- whenever anyone gives him the chance.

[maryz]

More detail on the story posted yesterday.

[madison10]

Michigander that works in & lives near Toledo. I was 21 & away at college in 1980, so don't remember much about this murder.

A local station showed the coverage they did of the incident in 1980. People spoke about how sweet the sister was.

[madison10]

Link to local station, 13abc, but I cannot get the video to work.

[Desdemona]

Hmmmm....

There have been enough tales of occult happenings and clergy, that this may well be true. Frightening, especially with so few exorcists around.

[maryz]

Thanks for the link.

On Friday, police arrested the Rev. Gerald Robinson, who performed the funeral for the 71-year-old nun.

I can't believe he officiated at the funeral --

[maryz]

A local station showed the coverage they did of the incident in 1980. People spoke about how sweet the sister was.

For some reason, this makes it all seem even sadder.

[foreshadowed at waco]

I often think of Malachi Martin when I hear of some abuse committed by a priest. Fr. Martin often talked about Satan working through members of the clergy even in the Vatican hierarchy. I never knew what to make of his claims but I enjoyed listening to him. One of the few individuals who spoke openly and comfortably about the presence of evil in the world. Very unPC guy.

[heyheyhey]

The article (click on the full text) says,

The woman whose allegations led to the reopening of the case testified before the Diocesan Review Board last June 11 and wrote a detailed statement alleging years of horrific sexual, physical, and psychological abuse by Toledo diocesan and religious-order priests during her childhood.

She described Satanic ceremonies in which priests placed her in a coffin filled with cockroaches, forced her to ingest what she believed to be a human eyeball, and penetrated her with a snake "to consecrate these orifices to Satan."

She also alleged that the group of clerics killed an infant and a 3-year-old child, performed an abortion on her, and mutilated dogs during the rituals, according to a copy of her statement obtained by The Blade.

Sounds like a bunch of heavy baloney and too much TV watching to me.