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The Department of Homeland Control
NewsWithViews ^ | Feb 10, 04 | David Brownlow

Posted on 02/20/2004 4:08:05 AM PST by SLB

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1 posted on 02/20/2004 4:08:06 AM PST by SLB
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee; harpseal; sauropod; Lion Den Dan; pocat; Fred Mertz; Wally Cleaver; ...
Just the tip of the iceberg on why I hate to fly.
2 posted on 02/20/2004 4:11:50 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: SLB
“Be on the lookout for a white, middle aged, heterosexual male, wearing shorts and a stupid looking shirt. Likely to be accompanied by a stunning woman, wearing matching shirt, with four children.”

Crap! I didn't know they were looking for me too! (Except for the matching shirts-- that's just too dorky for us.)

3 posted on 02/20/2004 4:13:52 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Crap! I didn't know they were looking for me too! (Except for the matching shirts-- that's just too dorky for us.)

Yep, and OBTW when they haul you away, you stand a better than even chance to have your rights to due process of law taken away.

4 posted on 02/20/2004 4:16:31 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: SLB; Fledermaus; Southack; Prof Utonium
Ping

Nothing happening here, don't worry, just move along, you're safe, your government is at work

5 posted on 02/20/2004 4:28:36 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: SLB
I just flew from Phoenix to BWI, and, as usual, had to wait in interminable lines to get onto the plane, after taking off my shoes, and exposing my bags to a search.

I am a 56 yr old WASP male, with a paunch, and was carrying my bags. I watched several middle-eastern looking fellows, with accents, being passed through, without any ado.

There is NO security capable of stopping terrorism. You can thwart an occasional plan, but those intent on destruction, will destroy!

What is most fearsome, is that we have lost the ability to respond to our g'umt, because now we will be labeled as 'terrorist', if we do anything to remove these shackles...

...meanwhile in New Mexico, blow into that breathalizer, and drive on home! (I have 40 acres in NM that I just put on the market, after buying it last year. I will take a loss, since I am selling quickly after my purchase, but will never go back there, despite planning on living part of the year there...!)

What has happened to America, since 1960? It seems to have disappeared, or to have been molecularly altered into some fascist state!

6 posted on 02/20/2004 4:33:18 AM PST by pageonetoo (They just want you to FEEL safe!)
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To: SLB
Expect Patriot I to largely sunset.

Patriot II has no chance.

Many of these stupid airport screening situtations will be dealt with. They won't endure.
7 posted on 02/20/2004 4:51:47 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: George W. Bush
Most of Patriot I, in fact DOES NOT sunset, only limited portions of it.

What is the source of your optimism ?? Hope ??

As we all know -- hope is not a method.

8 posted on 02/20/2004 4:54:00 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: SLB
No Kidding !!

KABA Writer Investigated for Questioning Civil Authority (Long Read)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1081899/posts

9 posted on 02/20/2004 5:02:43 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: George W. Bush
You might want to read Post #6 to this thread and then reconsider.
10 posted on 02/20/2004 5:04:04 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: skip2myloo
As we all know -- hope is not a method.

Hope is the sina qua non of reform and progress. It's indisputable.

Let's not jump into doom-and-gloom mode. Sneak-and-peek was knocked out by Congress last year despite severe objections from Bush and Ashcroft. Ashcroft's triumphal tour of, what, 26 cities to promote Patriot II actually aroused even more opposition to it. He rushed back to Washington just to try to get renewal of existing Patriot I provisions. And Congress isn't buying into it. They just don't like it and never really did.

I certainly don't take the threat to our liberties casually. But Patriot was always viewed with suspicion by the saner elements in both parties. They've already hacked at it once. And many of the more onerous provisions will sunset.

Let's not pretend that we've made no progress against it. Or that some of its provisions were not necessary to deal with the Islamist fifth column in the States. I see Patriot as a for-the-duration measure, something that citizens should work to reduce as the threat is dealt with. And I think there is considerable consensus in Congress on that point.

Stay active. Keep the pressure on. We'll chop this thing down to size.
11 posted on 02/20/2004 5:06:10 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: SLB
This is bad enough with Repus in charge imagine what a rat adminiastration would do with these powers. Evangelicals, home schoolers, strong 2nd Amendment supporters, and pro-life groups for just a start would be 'viewed' as possible domestic terrorists. Meanwhile the disgusting truckling to native Islamowhacos would redouble as part of multiculturalism and the blame America first syndrome the rats are all infected with.
12 posted on 02/20/2004 5:21:34 AM PST by robowombat
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To: SLB
All you gotta do is look like a member of the protected class....and you can skate right on through...

What ever you do ..dont look like a disabled world war two veteran...or his wife...
13 posted on 02/20/2004 5:39:06 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: pageonetoo
"...with a paunch..."

You are being profiled. ;~)

14 posted on 02/20/2004 5:46:40 AM PST by verity
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To: SLB; Ashamed Canadian
Instead, we need a whole new dictionary just to know the names of all the agencies that are snooping around in our private affairs, as if we are all somehow at fault for the events of 9/11. Things have gone completely nuts!

This is very sad. Why are the victims of 9/11 being persecuted? And by their own government yet.

This is happening on Dubya's watch.

15 posted on 02/20/2004 5:47:25 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: SLB
Just the tip of the iceberg on why I hate to fly.

Amen. I refuse to even go into an airport. There is no way I could keep from walking around going "Baaaaaa! Baaaaaa!"

16 posted on 02/20/2004 6:26:40 AM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: SLB
Welcome to the Sovietized America.

Personally, I refuse to fly so long as Americans are treated like turd-world sheep at the airports.

17 posted on 02/20/2004 6:28:55 AM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: George W. Bush
I think you are wrong on all three counts. If anything of any substance in the "P-1" actually does sunset, I'll eat my hat. P-2 is already being passed. Parts were passed just last month. Rather than being a single bill that can be pointed to as an evil bit of offal though, it is being implemented bit by bit as riders to other bills.

I don't ever expect to fly again. The rediculous procedures are just going to be accepted (already have by the sheep) of being "normal".

18 posted on 02/20/2004 6:31:04 AM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: SLB
If securing the homeland were really the objective, then Sec. 102 of the USA Patriot Act would not make the ludicrous argument that “no particular culture, people or religion is responsible for terrorism.”

ridiculous.

PC, "liberalism", multi-culturalism, and "diversity sensitivity" are going to get thousands killed.

19 posted on 02/20/2004 6:32:52 AM PST by MrB
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To: George W. Bush; skip2myloo
And many of the more onerous provisions will sunset.

Just like the AWB, right?

And to think I was even concerned about it!

Whew!

Thanks for setting our minds at ease.

Meanwhile, until such time as it "sunsets" (I'm thinking we'll know when that happens, because of all the weather reports of global cooling in hell, and news bulletins about massive numbers of cows mysteriously returning to their ancestral homepastures), you might want to peruse some of the nightmares your countrymen are enduring:

This guy made the mistake of... obeying the law: Airport follies

This guy made the mistake of stopping by the side of the road for a cigarette: Welcome to Humboldt County. Papers, Please.

And this one takes the cake -- an airport that essentially declares itself a sovereign state, above the law (oh, don't worry -- it writes its own laws), and then, declares that it has jurisdiction over everyone for something like a six mile radius -- even people legally driving down the road (say, from work to home), minding their own business, nowhere near the airport: VCDL hits Sovereign Nation of MWAA in press! (If you object, don't worry. They have their own laws, remember. They'll allow you to file an FOIA. It'll only cost you a bit over $12,000 in FOIA "fees" to get them to provide the info you need to attempt to challenge their divine rule over you.)

Yup, everything's gonna be just fine. Move along, folks, nothing to see here. But as long as you are here, we've got a few questions for you. I'm sure you'll cooperate, jawohl?

20 posted on 02/20/2004 6:35:14 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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