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Thirty police hurt in Sydney, Australia riot
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| 16th February 2004
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Posted on 02/15/2004 11:25:28 AM PST by KangarooJacqui
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To: BlackVeil
Most Australians, in the urban environment, did not have a gun in the first place... As I said, they're a different breed, apparently more docile.
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posted on
02/15/2004 11:15:50 PM PST
by
risk
To: KangarooJacqui
Are Australian Aborigines Negroid or Caucasian? For that matter, what about Melanesians/polynesians??
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posted on
02/16/2004 4:41:20 AM PST
by
Cronos
(W2K4!)
To: KangarooJacqui
Sydney's fast turning into this side of the Pacific's Los Angeles or Chicago, in my opinion... This so called 'riot' is nothing but a bunch of Eveleigh St kids running amok like they have for the last 50 years.I used to have to walk to work past Eveleigh St every weekday and these kids were brats,but far from hardened criminals.The cops just need to leave them alone to be kids,instead of going in jackbooted and treating them like murderous crims.The only crimes they commit are against each other.Eveleigh St is Sydneys only 'ghetto',now try walking through a ghetto in LA or Chicago and do the comparison.
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posted on
02/16/2004 6:28:26 AM PST
by
smpc
To: KangarooJacqui
As a girl born in Perth, raised and educated in Melbourne, and now a proud Queenslander, I'd rather live in just about ANY other capital city in Australia Why must all non-Sydneysiders resent us?Is it because of the beaches?Affluence?Harbour?Cuisine?Or just because Justin Timberlake owns a house here?:P
You need to go to the 99% of Sydney that is beautiful.East,North or Inner West.Why are you staying in the South-West anyway?Its like the dull Melbourne of Sydney.
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posted on
02/16/2004 6:43:04 AM PST
by
smpc
To: Cronos
Australian Aborigines are their own race.Most of them would look caucasian to foreigners though,because of interbreeding over the years.
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posted on
02/16/2004 6:44:51 AM PST
by
smpc
To: risk
you so bright.
66
posted on
02/16/2004 6:47:52 AM PST
by
smpc
To: smpc
The only crimes they commit are against each otherAh, so those crimes don't count. And when they bust your head, we'll just say "He must have been one of them"
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posted on
02/16/2004 6:50:09 AM PST
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: smpc
I'm sorry. I was thinking of another Aussie who turned out to be a huge Michael Moore fan.
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posted on
02/16/2004 6:55:18 AM PST
by
risk
To: BlackVeil
Why buy a gun to protect yourself when you can rob others with one and not have to worry about being shot? I bet most people buying guns illegally now have no intention of using them to shoot back. Why should they? Crime in Australia is a guaranteed growth industry!
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posted on
02/16/2004 6:58:13 AM PST
by
LibertarianInExile
(THIS TAGLINE VETTED BY THE TSA...it was sharp and had a point before they got to it.)
To: ARA
I simply pointed out that Oz is a bit further down the road to Socialism than we are in the U.S. But California in general and L.A. in particular is a veritable hotbed of liberal Socialism too, so your comparison tends to strengthen my contention rather than refute it.
Let's face it-- it's just my opinion. Yours may differ.
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posted on
02/16/2004 9:13:21 AM PST
by
oldfart
("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
To: KangarooJacqui
I read this story on Yahoo and it said that the people have been stock piling rocks and bricks. Sounds like they were just waiting for an excuse to attack the cops. Can't we all just get along?
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posted on
02/16/2004 10:35:04 AM PST
by
Veggie Todd
(Were those magic grits?)
To: KangarooJacqui
You committed no offense. I am just amused and bemused how old sterotypes linger for generations, especially abroad; i.e., lawless and violent Chicago.
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posted on
02/16/2004 10:54:13 AM PST
by
luvbach1
(In the know on the border)
To: KangarooJacqui
armed police with dog squads and armour hurt by a bunch of kids throwing bricks in Redfern?hurt what,feelings?i tell ya,its the LA riots all over again,except thousands of disgruntled blacks have been replaced by a hundred barefoot 12 year old aboriginals.scary sydney!almost as bad as our supposed ethnic crime wave where there were four shootings in 6 months!unlike other major cities around the world who have 10 shootings in a day.im afraid to walk the mean streets of sydney.and whose the smarty who put GUNBANCONNECTION as a keyword?lmao
To: KangarooJacqui
There's a reason I don't live in Sydney... no, scratch that, there is MANY reasons I don't live in Sydney. Make that any city; Any area with a population density of 5 per sq mile or more or any area that prohibits concealed carry.
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posted on
02/16/2004 12:37:13 PM PST
by
Chuckster
("Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." George Bernard Shaw)
To: KangarooJacqui
the New Zealand militant Maori, and the ones who expect handouts just because they got there a couple of hundred years before Captain Cook.
And ATE the folks who were already there...
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posted on
02/16/2004 12:54:00 PM PST
by
Little Ray
(Why settle for a Lesser Evil? Vote Cthuhlu for President!)
To: risk
yes we are a different breed.we're mostly anglo-celtic,like your founding fathers were.as to your point about throwing off 'colonial rule',we were never taxed without representation so why would we rebel against........ourselves?and here we dont need any governments permission to bear arms.gun laws are laughable to our 2 million(and who knows how many more) gun owners.we have more firepower than the military and police force combined.how do ya think you'd go rebelling against your giant fed/military/police force?
god bless those yanks,but please take away the minoritys misguided,condescending attitudes.You all would be just perfect without them.
To: armed_in_sydney; Joe Brower; Travis McGee
how do ya think you'd go rebelling against your giant fed/military/police force? This is a long-standing argument against the second amendment here in America. However, our police and military consist of patriotic individuals. They are frequently some of our strongest second amendment advocates. If our Constitution were usurped by a tyrannical potentate, we presume we could count on them to stand for freedom, not against it.
The point remains: once you are disarmed, you have no choice. Our Founding Fathers knew that, and that is why our firearms rights are so sacred to us. This belief is also steeped in a fight for independence that began the moment the English decided to try to subdue Ireland, Wales, and Scotland. They concluded the British chapter of that war with the Oath of Culloden that disarmed the Jacobites. However, we won that war for independence in America, and we do not aim to fight it on our own soil again any time soon.
The following is an excerpt from an interview with Holocaust survivor Theodore Haas conducted by Aaron Zelman for JPFO. He makes it clear that an armed populace is much more resistant to totalitarian evils:
QUESTION: Did the camp inmates ever bring up the topic, "If only we were armed before, we would not be here now"?
ANSWER: Many, many times. Before Adolph Hitler came to power, there was a black market in firearms, but the German people had been so conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never consider buying an unregistered gun. The German people really believed that only hoodlums own such guns. What fools we were. It truly frightens me to see how the government, media, and some police groups in America are pushing for the same mindset. In my opinion, the people of America had better start asking and demanding answers to some hard questions about firearms ownership, especially if the government does not trust me to own firearms, why or how can the people be expected to trust the government?
Disarmament is prelude to oppression. Australia is
being disarmed. We're free to draw our own conclusions. Meanwhile we have our own problems here in America, but we're doing everything we can about it now -- before it's too late.
The Port Arthur massacre in 1996 that led to the move to disarm Australians is a familiar prelude to seizing weapons. But those who desire security at the expense of freedom deserve neither, as our Benjamin Franklin so aptly wrote.
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posted on
02/16/2004 2:48:01 PM PST
by
risk
To: armed_in_sydney
Sympathetic canuck bump. ;^)
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posted on
02/16/2004 2:50:51 PM PST
by
headsonpikes
(Spirit of '76 bttt!)
To: KangarooJacqui; risk
A lot of us have had nothing whatsoever to do with firearms in our entire lives. We are creatures of the suburbs or of the big cities... and as such, the closest we get to a gun is seeing one on a policeman's belt. When I lived in the suburbs of the US Northeast, I had a similar perspective. Owning a gun was perceived as unsophisticated, something simply not done in polite society. Besides, we all thought, didn't we pay civil servants to provide protection for us anyway? And so on, (you can probably fill in the rest...)
It was only later that I became aware of the real statistics. Guns still find there way into "gun-free" societies. Police emergency response times almost never are fast enough to stop a crime in progress. States and counties with concealed carry laws show a marked reduction in violent crime. Women, especially benefit from concealed carry laws.
As is the case with many topics, the press tends to be one-sided on the issue of guns. I assume this may be the case down in Oz as well. You may want to read some of the data in John Lott's two books on the subject. It is possible that upon seeing some of the data on gun-ownership that you have not been exposed to, you might choose to reevaluate some of your positions on the subject.
I happen to be a proud Australian who has always believed much the same thing... and unlike the US, where I saw "I shoot and I vote" bumper stickers, showing up on polling day is compulsory in this country, and most of us don't (and didn't) carry firearms. "I vote Conservative, I don't shoot..." and nationally, we're the majority.
Does the concept of compulsory voting raise any red flags with you? Is it really a good thing for people who feel disinterested or resentful of the whole political process to vote in it? Do we believe that the compulsed voter will do the meaningful research on the issues and candidates to benefit the process, or would such voters have the lowest possible standard of responsible voting?
You have a beautiful and wonderful country, but I worry for your freedom as I do ours!
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posted on
02/16/2004 4:54:05 PM PST
by
Huber
(Individuality, liberty, property-this is man.These 3 gifts from God precede all legislation-Bastiat)
To: Huber; risk
Okay, okay, okay you guys...
You're making me think. I don't have time to read your links right now, risk, but I shall.
*PING* to self for later reading, thinking, and perhaps a reasoned debate (to be posted in the Smokey Backroom, maybe) later in the week, or next week...
Stay safe
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posted on
02/16/2004 5:40:23 PM PST
by
KangarooJacqui
(The pen is mightier than the sword... does that make the keyboard mightier than the AK-47?)
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