Ancient Treasures From Golden Age Of Mystery (Celtic Coins)

Yorkshire Today ^ | 12-20-2003

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[ruoflaw]

Thanks for another great article. I always look forward to the articles you post and they are never boring!
Merry Christmas Blam!

[Cronos]

Please tell me they were not of the detestable Frogs.

The English have a significatn portion of French blood -- after all they were conquered by a French duke in 1066 and had large sections of France until the War of the Roses. tHe English barons also invited Prince Louis of France to conquer England during teh rule of King John in 1220.

[Cronos]

Also, from the book "Kingdoms of the Celts" by John King: invasions of the Vikings.

"We have to be careful in all these discussion not to confuse culture with race. There is no Celtic race, not even the Iriah, who are hte most CEltic of nations. Studies of blood groups in Ireland show that about a quarter of the genes of the people in the REpublic are derived from Anglo-Norman and Englsish settlers. There is an unusually high incidence of blood group O in the western parts of IReland and a common trait of the unusual combination of dark hair and light eyes, both of which may be derived from pre-Celtic stock. The other common Irish attribute of red or fair-red hair is probably Nordic in origin, followign the invasions of the Vikings.

The term German was given by the Romans, it's derived from the Latin word Germanus which means genuine or authentic, and it was used to signify that the Germans were Authentic Celts. tHe others were Celts mixed with other groups.

[Cronos]

If you're English, you will have an eclectic mixture of Gaullish, GErmanic, Viking blood with perhaps a bit or pre-celtic/Jewish/Slavic blood as well.

However, since the idea of nation states only really came abotu at the end of the Middle ages -- say 1450 (I think many English scholars consider the death of Richard III to mark the end of the middle ages in England and I'd agree with them), there were no French or Englsih or Germans or whatever until then.

[Cronos]

Most Western Europeans are quite interrelated with Romance and Germanic blood -- Romance being French/Italian/Spanish and Germanic being Dutch/English/German/Celtic (I'm beginning to regard Celts and Germans as being more interrelated than not)

[Cronos]

The Celts were pretty much wandering warriors until the Romans gave them civilisation (And slaughtered most of them in France too -- Ave Caesar!).

In fact, the ones closest to the civilisaed, Mediterranean world were civilised, the ones further away like north of what is now the home countries in England were living in the Stone ages usign stone implements until the Romans came and conquered them. Ditto for the Picts. The Germans and Celts lived in massive communities with no concept of family, just the tribe. They were primarily hunter-gatherers with their drink being mead, not the drink of civilisation -- wine (wine takes time and requires a more stabel lifestyle than could be had by nomdic barbarians).

Their primary arits were creating of swords -- they seem to have made more swords than anythign else.

I wouldn't call the Celt-Germanics as anything worthwhile until civilised by Rome one way or the other.

Their cultural development was low, they worshipped primitive Gods in primitive ways with animal and even human sacrifices being the norm. Their concept of family life was a joke -- with women and children being common to the tribe. They had a non-existant governmental system with tribes having a war chief who reported to the septs war chief who reported to the clan's war chief -- and only in times of battle.

Their primary economy was hunting and maybe cattle herding with cattle raids being frequent -- the cattle robbing tales of Cu Cuchlaiin in the Ulster Cycle comes to mind.

BAckward in all ways until they came in contact with the civilisation of Rome. The tribes that DID conquer Rome were more Romanized than we'd think with the Franks etc. subseumign themselves in Roman culture and civilisation. Even England, which had kicked over the last traces of Romanisation in 450 AD had adopted Roman ways by 600 AD.

[blam]

Celtics Found To Have Ancient Roots

[Cronos]

The Celts are an Ind-European people. Their language is related to other Indo-European language groups such as German, Slavic, Tocharian (dead now), Avestan (old Persian) Sanskrit, LAtin, GReek, Hittite.

The Indo-Europeans or Aryans were all of these and originated in Western India- Persia-southern Afghanistan, probably coinciding with (or even forming ) the Harappan and Sumerian civilisations. The Celts would just have been a language groups that moved into western eurasia early and separated from the Germanic-Nordic group.

I thinkt he earliest 'Celtic' culture is the La Tréne culture in austria dated to 900 BC

[Cronos]

Insteresting about the Galatians -- the Gauls as also reflected in Galicia.

[Cronos]

5600 B.C. is pretty young for a civilisation considering that Jericho's origins are dated to 7000 BC and there is evidence for earlier settlements int heNile valley, Sumeria and Western India.

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The level of discourse on FR has improved. No one's commented on the finds being at "Wetwang".

So I won't either...

[katana]

Cahill's book is a quick but very enjoyable read. Might make for a nice change of pace midst the heavier Hubert fare you're (to your credit) now reading.

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bttfl

[Cronos]

well, the proto-Celts are traced to Austria -- the la Trène culture in 900 BC, no earlier traces of Celts are found. They were related to other Indo-European groups so if you mean that the proto-Aryan group originated in Turkey that MAY make some sense. But then how could you reconcile it with the knowledge that the Sumerians' successort, the Akkadians in 2500 BC talk of Aryanic Hittites invading Anatolia.

its more likely that these Aryans came from further east -- some say Central Asia, but I'd rather think they were from the Persia-Sogdiana-India triangle -- evidence includes the use of wheels and war chariots which were there in the Aryanic culture before the Semitic and Sumerians cultures developed it.

I really doubt the Egyptians were Aryan in any possible way -- the Kings of upper Egypt like the Scorpion King were pretty definitely Negroid or Nubian/Ethiopian in origin and the people of the Nile Delta region in lower Egypt were SEmitic -- at least in the pre-dynastic and early dynasty

[Cronos]

Teh Galatians were n't Israelites, they were, well, Celts. Didn't you read the earlier post? The Galatians were descendents os the Gaulish tribes movign across Europe. THis started around 700 BC and is pretty well documented as comign form the Western parts of Europe. The lost tribes were taken away by the Assyrians and repopulated in parts far away from their native land -- the Assyrians never conquered any part of Anatolia so the Israelis would have been placed in Mesopotamia. these woul dhave been assimilated in the local popuilation, so present day Iraqis may very well have Israeli blood. Some did stick on and returned with their Judaen cousins when Cyrus of Persia let them go back.

But, ahem The Celts were not Israel's lost tribes<

[Cronos]

The estimated date of 3000 BC does fly in the face of archaelogical evidence which states the date to be around 600 to 450 BC.

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Weeks ago archeologists revealed that they had unearthed a rare and nationally significant Iron Age burial site at Ferrybridge in West Yorkshire complete with a chariot, a spear and the 2,500-year-old skeleton of a Celtic warrior or king.

blam, do you have a link for this find at Ferrybridge?
One of my company's customers is there, and I have visited Ferrybridge before.

I'd like to read about this if you have info.

Thanks,
CD

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Awesome, Polybius. Thanks for the pictures