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UFO Invasion at Rendlesham on the SCI FI channel (Live Thread)
www.scifi.com ^ | Friday, December 12, 2003 | Bryant Gumbel

Posted on 12/12/2003 5:37:54 PM PST by Momaw Nadon

About the Rendlesham Incident

In late December 1980, in Rendlesham Forest, England, numerous U.S. military personnel witnessed what has come to be regarded as the most significant military-UFO incident in the history of Great Britain.

The servicemen were posted to the RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge facilities — which together constitute one of the largest NATO bases in rural Suffolk, East Anglia — when, on December 27, they noticed unusual lights and activity near the base's back gate. A trio of security patrolmen led by Jim Penniston, thinking a military aircraft might be down or in distress, ventured into Rendlesham Forest to investigate. There they observed a variety of unearthly phenomena that none of them could explain, as well as an airborne object obscured by its own blinding light.

The next day, December 28, they returned to the forest and found three radioactive depressions in the ground where the object had been sighted. That night, other witnesses in surrounding areas saw an intense red light pulsating and moving through the trees.

Soon afterward, several of the men involved, including Airman Larry Warren, were debriefed by U.S. and British officers and ordered to sign documents contradicting their firsthand accounts. Furthermore, they were told to remain silent and were warned by U.S. military intelligence personnel that, if they didn't, "Bullets are cheap."

Two weeks after these incidents, Lt. Colonel Charles Halt (who retired years later following his promotion to colonel) wrote a memo detailing everything that the patrolmen had seen and sent the document to his superiors at the Pentagon — and the most comprehensive cover-up in the history of Britain began.

But the truth has refused to remain hidden. In December 2002, the British Ministry of Defense released a file on the Rendlesham incident that comprised 180 pages of previously classified memos, letters, reports and correspondence. But despite the British government's admission that a UFO-related incident took place near the Bentwaters and Woodbridge airfields in 1980, the U.S. government still refuses to release its own files about the encounter.

Now SCI FI brings you this shocking exposé, complete with documentation, new physical evidence and firsthand accounts by both military and civilian witnesses — including Penniston and Halt, who have jeopardized their reputations and military pensions in order to seek out the truth. Join host Bryant Gumbel as SCI FI presents its exclusive investigation of one of the most important UFO incidents of the 20th century.


TOPICS: Announcements; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Unclassified; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 12/12/2003 5:37:55 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Quix
Ping!
2 posted on 12/12/2003 5:40:14 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Is this a new one?
3 posted on 12/12/2003 5:40:43 PM PST by cmsgop (Whatever You Do,..... Do Not PING Arthur McGowan)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Bryant Gumbel? He's taking Geraldo's left-overs now?
4 posted on 12/12/2003 5:41:33 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Momaw Nadon
I love good UFO stories, but these documentaries of the last few years haven't been very impressive IMO. I quit watching.
5 posted on 12/12/2003 5:41:37 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Momaw Nadon
BTW why do you have a picture of TLB on your Homepage ?
6 posted on 12/12/2003 5:42:02 PM PST by cmsgop (Whatever You Do,..... Do Not PING Arthur McGowan)
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To: Momaw Nadon
When is it on? Some cheesy show is on now.
7 posted on 12/12/2003 5:42:29 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: cmsgop
Yes, a new one.

Premieres tonight at 9:00 P.M. EST on the Sci Fi channel.

8 posted on 12/12/2003 5:42:54 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: cmsgop

This is just a pic of me hanging out at the cantina.


9 posted on 12/12/2003 5:45:33 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Cool, I'll watch "King Of New York" on Bravo till then....
10 posted on 12/12/2003 5:46:17 PM PST by cmsgop (Whatever You Do,..... Do Not PING Arthur McGowan)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
This one should be good.

There's lots of evidence presented.

It's sort of a British Roswell.

11 posted on 12/12/2003 5:49:19 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

12 posted on 12/12/2003 5:50:56 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I saw one documentary on this a long time ago. I figgured some super secret air craft had engine trouble and the government covered it up.
13 posted on 12/12/2003 5:53:57 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Momaw Nadon
I used to believe in this stuff until I realized that with more people, increased worldwide development, airliners, and media ( just to name a few things ) than ever before, "real sightings" should be a common occurrence. They're not.
14 posted on 12/12/2003 5:58:24 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
"real sightings" should be a common occurrence. They're not"

cloaking device on Capt.

15 posted on 12/12/2003 6:03:24 PM PST by lstanle
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To: Momaw Nadon


16 posted on 12/12/2003 6:04:25 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: Momaw Nadon
Art Bell or George Noory would be more suited to host the Sci-Fi special.
17 posted on 12/12/2003 6:08:22 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Momaw Nadon
With your name, I figured you were THE Momaw Nadon, a member of the peaceful, naturalist Ithorian race.

You must be the only one of your kind here.

18 posted on 12/12/2003 6:21:11 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: Momaw Nadon
My hubby is getting creeped out watching this, because the witness's seem so credible.
19 posted on 12/12/2003 6:34:52 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
It is a bit creepy.

Especially Lord Hill-Norton's testimony.

20 posted on 12/12/2003 6:39:11 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I've seen previous shows on this incident and heard the actual audio, but I'll be surprised if there is anything new out there.
21 posted on 12/12/2003 6:39:28 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Momaw Nadon
It was the lighthouse!!
22 posted on 12/12/2003 6:41:57 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
Curious how the audio tape syncs up precisely with the rotation of the lighthouse beacon isn't it?
23 posted on 12/12/2003 6:43:46 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Momaw Nadon
***Join host Bryant Gumbel as SCI FI presents its exclusive investigation of one of the
most important UFO incidents of the 20th century.***

This is a commercial channel. Advertizers do not like people to be "dissapointed" as they were by "Al Capone's Vault" so there will be the inference of more information or "unreleased secret info" they can not talk about now.

The earlier Roswell program where they did a so-called "Archaeological "dig and left the hint of more things to come. They must find something even if it is just to appease the advertizers.

Hint: Remember the scandal of the planted money in the recovered Andria Doria safe!
24 posted on 12/12/2003 6:51:10 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: MissAmericanPie
Notice how the Orfordness Lighthouse lines up precisely with the description of where the "flashing light" was seen!

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/ridpath3.jpg

25 posted on 12/12/2003 7:03:39 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
Here is a smaller version of the above photo:


26 posted on 12/12/2003 7:04:39 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Momaw Nadon
Let me know if it's worth a watch.
27 posted on 12/12/2003 7:04:54 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
I'm watching now.

Definitely worth a watch.

28 posted on 12/12/2003 7:05:57 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon; All
Who care tell me when New Sci-fi channel show 48 hours worth of episode of Twilight Zone


WAR ROD SERLING
29 posted on 12/12/2003 7:06:29 PM PST by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
I always wondered what became of ol' BG....
30 posted on 12/12/2003 7:06:40 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Momaw Nadon

31 posted on 12/12/2003 7:10:25 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Welsh Rabbit
I believe Col. Halt and the men that were with him, but Larry Warren seems like a poseur who is embellishing his experience (seeing aliens, changing his story) in order to sell books. This is all the more obnoxious given that this event deserves to be treated seriously.

RE: the lighthouse mentioned above: LOL! I don't think people who lived in close proximity to a lighthouse (civilian and military) for years would suddenly forget the lighthouse was there, or how it appeared to them. You can't pass off the Rendelsham events on a mistaken lighthouse.

32 posted on 12/12/2003 7:13:45 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: Momaw Nadon

Here is what they found.

33 posted on 12/12/2003 7:17:28 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
I see what you are saying but, the object they saw was in the field in front of the farm house. It's hard to imagine that men trained to know what aircraft they were observing, brave men, were quaking in their boots and all shook up over a light house beacon.

It doesn't seem likely.
34 posted on 12/12/2003 7:23:14 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: BushMeister
LOL!

LOL? So it's easier for you to believe that little green aliens from another planet landed in England in 1980 instead believing that some sleepy, tired, and confused airmen away from home at Christmas-time got confused over seeing flashing lights through the trees in a dark forest? Now, that is "LOL"-worthy.

How do you explain that the tape syncs up precisely with the rotation of the lighthouse beacon? How do you explain that the color of the light being seen was the same as the lighthouse? That it was seen in the same direction as both the lighthose and the lightship? That it "moved behind the trees" when they moved, but stopped when they stopped? Did you ever look at the moon behind some trees while in a moving car?

35 posted on 12/12/2003 7:26:56 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: MissAmericanPie
"the object they saw was in the field in front of the farm house"

They never said that. The exact quote was "the object was close to the farmer's house."

36 posted on 12/12/2003 7:29:07 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: concentric circles
Ack! Ack ack! Ack ack ack, ack ACK!!
37 posted on 12/12/2003 7:30:32 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Like the guard just said, they had been in that area for months, they knew the location of the light house. He touched the craft himself, recorded it's markings, of course he could be a pathological liar, but he doesn't strike me as such.
38 posted on 12/12/2003 7:36:40 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: FreedomCalls
Who said anything about little green men?

How do you explain the fact that the men described the light moving back and forth? The plethora of different colors they observed? The fact that the witnesses described the light/craft coming towards them? The eyewitness accounts of a physical craft on the ground? The sudden liftoff and takeoff of the object?

I enjoy visiting lighthouses on both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, and have been near them in all sorts of weather (fog, chills, snow, night, strms, etc.). I have never mistaken a lighthouse beam for a completely inexplicable aircraft.

It doesn't add up to a lighthouse.

39 posted on 12/12/2003 7:37:57 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: MissAmericanPie
More info:
These new facts are - for instance - how one of the primary witnesses described seeing the lighthouse at the same time as the UFO and thus was certain the UFO was not the lighthouse. Which is fine, except that, on closer questionning, the position he cites for the lighthouse is wrong. It is actually where a smaller lightship was then located. The UFO he relates was thus pretty much where the real lighthouse was positioned.

40 posted on 12/12/2003 7:39:50 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BushMeister
I think Bryant Gumbel is doing those "in front of the base" speaking-to-the-camera shots at Floyd Bennett field in Brooklyn, NY. Either that or the Rendelsham base was built in exactly the same style.

41 posted on 12/12/2003 7:42:24 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: BushMeister
Now they are claiming that they principals were kidnapped by a mysterious private agency and injected with chemicals to make them sound stupid. Get real!!
42 posted on 12/12/2003 7:43:44 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: MissAmericanPie
he could be a pathological liar, but he doesn't strike me as such.

So you believe that they were all kidnapped and injected with drugs by mysterious men?

43 posted on 12/12/2003 7:45:15 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BushMeister
Now they are making up a story about they were at a different location -- a location that nobody knew about until just now, some 20 years later. A location, that -- get his -- that you cannot see the lighthouse from. And they are claiming that this new location proves they could not be confused over the lighthouse. Ha!

They're just looney and out to make a buck selling books.

44 posted on 12/12/2003 7:48:33 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
I don't care about the "aftermath". The initial report is what interests me.

Additionally, how could it be the lighthouse when the incident began because someone saw flashing, colored lights that indicated that perhaps something had crashed in the woods? IN THE WOODS, seen from OUTSIDE THE WOODS.

Are you claiming that some never-before-seen and never-again-seen weather phenomena was at work on TWO CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS to make the lighthouse appear to be an aircraft of impossible capabilities to dozens of observers from different angles?

Who's really grasping at straws and trying to fit square pegs in round holes now?

45 posted on 12/12/2003 7:48:54 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: FreedomCalls; BushMeister
What is easy to believe is that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe. Of course, whether or not alien life forms have visited here is open to conjecture, but there are surely plenty of reasonably convincing stories, albeit no publicly known "hard" evidence.
46 posted on 12/12/2003 7:50:29 PM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
I agree that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe, which consists of billions of galaxies which contain, on average, 100 billion stars apiece. I also believe that there are many exponential scientific advances of which we currently know nothing.

I don't know what happened at Rendelsham, and I'm quite aware of the possibility for lying, embellishing, and just plain mis-remembering after the fact by the witnesses.

I just don't see a huge airbase being sent into a tizzy by the same lighthouse they'd lived with for years ON A CLEAR NIGHT.

47 posted on 12/12/2003 7:56:04 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: BushMeister
I would like to think this is all true... sure would make life more interesting. I just wish the evidence were more convincing. If any of this is true, the credibility is shot the minute the loons open their mouths.
48 posted on 12/12/2003 7:56:13 PM PST by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: BushMeister
They never found anything crashed.

The initial sighting was by the gate guards looking eastward directly through the woods towards the lighthouse.

When they went towards the lights, the lights "receded". When they moved crosswise through the forest, the light moved with them (as the light from a distant lighthouse would do).

The most important evidence (the tape recording) shows their sightings match up precisely with the rotation of the lighthouse beam. Whenever the lighthouse beams sweeps over them, they shout "there it is again!"

The direction they claim to have seen stuff is precisely in line with both the Orfordness Lighthouse and the Shipwash Lightship.

They are embellishing their stories whenever someone pokes a hole in it.

And so forth.

49 posted on 12/12/2003 8:03:18 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: CurlyBill
I agree that the people interviewed in the program were at different levels of believability. I also believe that there's a very strange event at the center of it all.

I'm not a big sci-fi nut. I haven't put on that channel for years. But I'm glad I caught that show tonight, though it started off a bit like an MTV video (quick edits, cheesy graphics).

Try to get your hands on an old Unsolved Mysteries segment on triangular UFOs over Belgium, which included radar tapes and interviews with the Belgian Air Force personnel who scrambled to intercept. By far the most compelling piece I've seen on UFOs.

50 posted on 12/12/2003 8:03:45 PM PST by BushMeister
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