Nation stops to remember Atatürk (65th anniversary of his death)

NTV ^ | 11/10/2003 | N/A

[a_Turk]

The spirit of the Turk has removed all traitors, invaders and their operatives from the heartland. If that's your wound, then here's more salt.

[a_Turk]

Enver was a nut, to be sure. But that the front in the East was fought against a bunch of helpless women and children is ludicrous.

[a_Turk]

Plus, I see that the paragraph mentions "East Armenia." The Armenian constitution of today claims Eastern Turkey as "West Armenia."

They can keep trying..

The genocide industry brings Armenia 2 billion dollars a year...

[nkycincinnatikid]

Very interesting post as some of the replys obviously attest. Attaturk truly and permanently brought a new sort of muslim state into the world. For that he deserves the awe and admiration of the world. And those who hear him villified for the evil of war might consider what the survivors of Hiroshima, and Hamburg might say about Truman and Churchill.

[Questor]

So noted and acknowledged. May G-d have mercy on you...you certainly need it.......

[a_Turk]

You definitely should, and without wasting so much as a second.

Love that movie "Red Dawn."

[a_Turk]

Only I need G-d's mercy, I suppose, but I'll wish His mercy on you as well, just in case.

[SpookBrat]

My year in Turkey was one of the best years of my life.

[Clemenza]

I'll take Turkey, who have provided us with more ME intelligence than any nation other than Israel and who have historically provided more troops to our military operations than any other nation in the mediterrean region over Greece (an appropriatly named country) any day of the week.

GO TURKEY!!!

[a_Turk]

You eeevil, eeevil girl :)

[eleni121]

Kemal Ataturk is ranked with the most evil and psychopathic of maniacs who darkened the world's doorstep in any age.

Turk---The only quote worth knowing and memorializing in your numbskull is this one:

Hitler cited with approval the Turks' genocide of the Armenians ("who remembers the annihilation of the Armenians?"), and was an open admirer of Kemal Ataturk.

Well liked as well by Lyndon Larouche.

[Questor]

There is a city (you do the research and find where it was) called Peramos. When you find it...go there and and look around. See the ruined Churches of St. George and St Demetrios...go to what was the Orthodox cemetery (Christ Hill)...un-desecrate what was once hallowed ground...find the scattered bones of my father's family and replace them. Un-rape the women of the city and un-murder and un-mutilate my Grandparents...and then come and talk to me about wounds that won't heal...may G-d clear your mind.

[prognostigaator]

"No history of the 20th century can be understood without an understanding
> of the Armenian Genocide. No American history can be properly fathomed
> without an understanding of the Armenian Genocide," said Balakian. He
> noted that it was in reference to the Armenian Genocide that the term
> "Crimes Against Humanity," was first used. It was contained in a message
> from the Allied Powers in May of 1915 to the Ottoman government, saying
> Turkey would be held accountable for its crimes against humanity."
>
> A "cast of extraordinary American voices weighed in on the Armenian
> Genocide," said Balakian, telling the story of the American intellectual
> and Christian community which rose to the aid of Armenians first during
the
> Hamidian massacres of the late 1800's during which 200,000 Armenians were
> slain. Bringing aid to Armenian killing fields was the first international
> venture to be undertaken by Clara Barton, who headed the Red Cross.
>
> "In an age when a loaf of bread cost five cents, the Near East Relief Fund
> in the U.S. raised $110,000,000 for Armenian relief," said Balakian. He
> noted the "density of the movement," in which all kinds of small and large
> organizations raised money to help the "starving Armenians," and the New
> York Times wrote an average of 2.2 articles about the Armenian Genocide in
> 1915 alone.
>
> Turkish Denial
>
> Countering denialists statements that the Armenian Genocide was not
> organized or the massacres were a result of deportations that "got out of
> control," Balakian said that after four years of research, he came away
> with an "overwhelming sense of how well orchestrated and fine-tuned" the
> genocide was.
>
> That orchestration had several components, making use of the military,
> legislative and technological means for carrying out the Genocide.
> Reminiscent of the "SS" organization under Adolph Hitler, which carried
out
> the brutal crimes of the Holocaust, Balakian told about the Ottoman
> government's creation of the "SO" or Special Organization, killing squads
> made up of the 30,000 prison convicts who were released and given orders
to
> eliminate the Armenians.
>
> Two laws passed by the Ottoman parliament were used to legalize the
> Genocide, said Balakian: a temporary law of deportation, and a temporary
> law allowing for expropriation and confiscation of property. And the
> technological advances of the railway and the telegraph were used quite
> effectively to carry out the planned Genocide. Cattle cars meant to carry
> no more than 30 were packed with close to 100 people being transported
from
> the West to the far eastern reaches of the Ottoman Empire. Talaat Pasha,
> the mastermind of the crime, used the telegraph profusely to communicate
> orders for arrest and deportation.
>
> Balakian said that Armenians resisted bravely when they could, as in Van
> in the spring of 1915 and in Musa Dagh, but most often it was impossible
> since the able-bodied men were eliminated early on.
>
> "In the end, 1.2 million to 1.3 million Armenians were murdered, and if
> you tabulate all of the post-war deaths in Marash, Smyra, and the forced
> slavery and Islamification, the number reaches 1.5 million," said
Balakian,
> referring to the study of the International Association of Genocide
> Scholars.
>
> Returning to the theme of the U.S. involvement, Balakian spoke about the
> important role of the U.S. Consuls across the Ottoman Empire, "who risked
> their lives to rescue, hide, save, and also help hide Armenians' wealth."
> He said the diplomats "wrote some of the most vivid, clear, clean,
> detached, clinical reports and dispatches back to their Ambassador." Of
> the 38,000 documents in the US National Archives relating to the Armenian
> Genocide, Balakian said he read hundreds of the "landmark body of American
> witness texts to genocide." Balakian said he was also able to read
> translated transcripts (thanks to Armenian Genocide historian Vahakn
> Dadrian) of the failed war crimes trials in Turkey, which included
hundreds
> of pages of high ranking Turkish officials' confessions about how the
> Armenian Genocide was systematically carried out.
>
> Just a Poker Chip
>
> Balakian said one of the fundamental reasons for America's change of mood
> on the Armenian Cause was that a hostile Republican Senate leadership,
> which unanimously rejected President Wilson's call for the US to become a
> protectorate state for Armenia, was eager to court the new Turkish
> leadership, which was in control of the Mosul oil fields. Noting the
> similarities with US foreign policy of today, Balakian said, "Armenia is
> just a poker chip cashed in for lobbyists for oil."
>
> Reading four vignettes from his book, Balakian illustrated the political
> dialogue taking place within the US and between Turkey and the US during
> this time, calling US Ambassador Henry Morganthau "a man of great
conscious
> and courage."
>
> Reconciliation Preceded by Truth
>
> Balakian spoke too about the need for critical self-analysis within
Turkey.
> He said Turkey's human rights record is deplorable, and that it is a
> culture "locked up in a virulent, xenophobic nationalism," which has kept
> it from acknowledging the Armenian Genocide. He said minority rights are
> essential to building a democratic society.
>
> Answering a question later about the possibility for Turkish-Armenian
> reconciliation, Balakian said, "Of course there can be reconciliation, but
> it has to be preceded by truth."
>
> "My hope is that Burning Tigris can help make it impossible for the United
> States to deny its first international human rights movement," said
> Balakian.
>
> ####
>
>

[a_Turk]

Our bones (yours and mine) are scattered all throught the land there. You can't unrape my women, and I can't unrape yours. We can both be sad about it.

[SpookBrat]

Moi?

Çok tesekkur ederim, Abi.

[a_Turk]

>> Cattle cars meant to carry no more than 30 were packed with close to 100 people being transported from the West to the far eastern reaches of the Ottoman Empire.

Sorry, but the only railroad in that part of Turkey existed on paperonly and was called the Berlin to Baghdad railroad, designed by the Germans to transport their troops to Baghdad from where they could be sent through Iran to Afghanistan to conquer India from the north (!).

>> given orders to eliminate the Armenians

For what reason? Why concentrate on what might be characterized as "luxury items" for a sick mind, when the country was losing a war and was in need of every able bodied man and woman to fight actual soldiers?

[a_Turk]

>> and was an open admirer of Kemal Ataturk.

Everyone, even the vanquished, were admirers of Ataturk. Look at the quotes from Britain, France, Italy, and Greece.

Hope you throw up when you do.

[eleni121]

What a ridiculous argument for acknowledging the death of the syphilitic ataturk: Posting memorials from the nations of the times. Most of them are ridiculous in their level of propaganda lies. The one from the Soviet Union aka russia is relevant as well.

Atatürk believed that his fight against imperialism was a holy war and he gained the admiration of the Turkish Nation as well as the whole world.
Atatürk has done much to save Turkey from lagging back a century. The reforms he had made aimed to develop economic life, industry and agriculture. In the time of Atatürk, Turkey’s international authority has grown and Turkey began to play an important role in world politics.
N.S.CRUSHCHEF, President Of The Soviet Union, 10th November 1938

Iosif Vissaryonovich Stalin must have approved the statement but who cares when the propaganda machine of the islamic Turkoman parastate revs its motors. Krushchev was the general Secretary for the Ukranian communist Party in 1938 not President of "Russia" - And don't we all know what was happening to the Ukrainians peasants right around that time...

About the same that was happening to the Christians in Turkey a few years earlier...mass butchery.

[yonif]

I was in Armenia last summer and the summer before that. How do you refute claims of the Armenian Genocide?