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Get Ready: Hillary rumored to be considering another go at the White House in 2020
Right Wing News ^ | November 29, 2016 | Cassy Fiano

Posted on 11/30/2016 10:23:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Wallace T.
Strict enforcement of immigration laws, combined with deportation of some illegals, voluntary or not, and curbing even relatively low risk immigration from India and East Asia are important measures that would change the demographics.

We need to curb LEGAL IMMIGRATION, i.e., declare a moratorium. We bring in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year along with 640,000 legal guest workers annually. Since 1990 35 million LEGAL PERMANENT IMMIGRANTS, equivalent to the population of Canada, have entered this country. Immigrants and their children drive 80% of the population growth. We have just had three of the four highest decades of immigration in our history.

In 1970 one out 21 was foreign born; today, it is a little less than one in 8, the highest in 105 years; and by 2023 it will be one in 7, the highest in history. In 1970 there were 9.7 million foreign born; today it is over 42 million.


121 posted on 12/01/2016 11:24:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

122 posted on 12/01/2016 11:32:20 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: ScottinVA
That demographic issue is what the “experts” insisted would keep Trump out of the White House. Fortunately, he was able to peel off some of those groups. He drew 13% of the black male vote...something that hasn’t been accomplished by a GOPer since Reagan.

That demographic gave Hillary over 2 million more votes than Trump and marked the sixth time out of seven elections that the Dems won the popular vote. Unless we reduce legal immigration substantially and soon, the Dems will be the permanent majority party within a decade.

Trump got 8% of the black vote compared to Romney's 6%. Hillary received 89% of the black vote compared to Obama's 93%. Blacks made up 12% of the electorate in 2016 compared to 13% in 2012.

Trump got 57% of the white vote compared to Romney's 59%. Whites made up 72% of the electorate in 2012 and 71% in 2016. Hillary got 37% of the white vote compared to Obama's 39%.

123 posted on 12/01/2016 11:36:41 AM PST by kabar
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To: Owen

Again, we are talking about two kinds of exit polls.


124 posted on 12/01/2016 11:37:27 AM PST by kabar
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No we aren’t.

People are sampled leaving the voting precinct. They are asked a bunch of questions, including who they voted for.

People lied. Or Hillary people were oversampled by youngsters only sampling the young.

So then you have all these internals saying women voted Hillary vs men at X%, but that can’t be correct because the winner was incorrectly concluded.

So then you have internals saying college educated voted Hillary and that can’t be correct because the Trump Clinton measure was wrong.

The media wants something to talk about and they are relying on the exit polls, and they were wrong. And so everything talked about derived from the exit polls is also wrong.

There is no data. Period.


125 posted on 12/01/2016 12:06:10 PM PST by Owen
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To: kabar

No.. California gave Hillary those votes. That state — by itself — handed her a 4.2 million popular vote advantage. That’s wayyyyyy out of proportion with the rest of the country. So long as we have the electoral college — and we will for the foreseeable future — we’ll be fine. The example of California is one shining example of a justification for the EC.


126 posted on 12/01/2016 1:16:40 PM PST by ScottinVA
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To: Owen

There are data and the political strategists and consultants will use it. You will hear both parties citing the data along with the MSM. The onus is on you to demonstrate the data are false or that people lied.


127 posted on 12/01/2016 1:33:26 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

It is.

Luntz declared Hillary the winner at 7 PM east coast time, based on the exit polls. Surely you heard this from all the media people. The exit polls said she won the necessary states. It was the exit polls that caused the long delay calling Georgia and Arizona. They said she won those states.

That . . . is pretty powerful evidence. They were wrong.


128 posted on 12/01/2016 1:44:49 PM PST by Owen
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To: ScottinVA
No.. California gave Hillary those votes. That state — by itself — handed her a 4.2 million popular vote advantage. That’s wayyyyyy out of proportion with the rest of the country. So long as we have the electoral college — and we will for the foreseeable future — we’ll be fine. The example of California is one shining example of a justification for the EC.

Demographically the US will be like CA by 2050. The question is why has CA changed from a reliable red state to a solid blue one. Bush 41 won CA in 1988. The Dems have locked up CA forever and that means 55 electoral votes, which is more than ID (4), MT (3), SD (3), ND (3), WY (3), NE (4), KS (6), OK (7), AK (6), AK (3), LA (8), and WV (5), combined, i.e., 12 states. Toss in solid Dem states like NY, NJ, MA, MD, WA, OR, and IL and you have a big hill to climb every election. NC is going the way of VA and GA is headed that way as well.

I lived in McLean, VA for 36 years until 2015. I watched Fairfax County and then the entire state of VA go from solid Rep to now solid Dem in terms of statewide elections, including the Presidency. The so-called battleground states are really red states that are moving towards being blue. States like NV, CO, NM, NC, and AZ are moving in that direction or are already there. Demography fueled by mass immigration is changing the electorate. Take a look at how the 25 largest counties in America are changing from red to blue and how that correlates to the number of immigrants.


129 posted on 12/01/2016 1:59:16 PM PST by kabar
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To: Owen

The exit polls as they relate to the victor can be wrong given the huge numbers voting early or by mail. The other data seem to correlate to the actual result. Do you think blacks voted overwhelmingly for Hillary? Latinos? Do you think whites voted overwhelmingly for Trump? What data contained in the exit polls are wrong?


130 posted on 12/01/2016 2:03:47 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Nah, though that’s a good try. Luntz and the rest had the partisan mix of the early votes cast. The conclusions had those built in.

As for do I think blacks voted heavily Hillary. Wrong question. The assertion is blacks Trump/Hillary ratio was different than for Obama/Romney. Or Latinos less heavily than for Obama than for Clinton.

That data is not there. You don’t know who they voted for because the exit polls were incorrect. Early votes had known party mix. They could not corrupt the conclusions.

Andddddddd now that you brought them up, there is no proof people who voted Nov 8 had the same attitudes as those who voted early, so declaring internals from the exit polls as a measurement of the electorate is even more invalid.


131 posted on 12/01/2016 2:29:02 PM PST by Owen
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Just how does the general election exit poll work, anyway?

As millions of Americans watch election results roll in on Tuesday, they’ll learn a lot more than whether Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will become the 45th president. They’ll be told such things as how college-educated Republican women in Florida voted, what issues drove voters to the polls in Ohio, and how many of Utah’s Mormons cast their ballots for independent candidate Evan McMullin.

The source for those sorts of detailed analyses of the electorate is Edison Research. The Somerville, New Jersey-based firm has conducted exit polls for the National Election Pool (a consortium of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox and The Associated Press) since 2003 – originally in conjunction with Mitofsky International, and since 2006 on its own. But just how does Edison do it?

Joe Lenski, Edison’s co-founder and executive vice president, said the firm will interview voters as they leave the polls at nearly 1,000 locations (a random stratified probability sample of the more than 110,000 physical polling places across the country). And since Edison expects between 35% and 40% of the vote to be cast before Election Day, it also is conducting a phone survey of early and absentee/mail voters, a process that began earlier this week.

The exit poll is a major operation. Edison expects to survey about 16,000 early and absentee voters by phone, Lenski said, and another 85,000 or so voters in person. “Between exit-poll interviewers, vote-count reporters, supervisors driving around checking on sites, and the two very large phone rooms we’ll be operating on Election Day to take in those results, we have close to 3,000 people working for us on Election Day,” he said.

The exit poll is more a set of interlocking surveys than a single, uniform poll. Aside from the phone and in-person components, Edison will field state-specific questionnaires at 350 of its 1,000 or so polling locations, in addition to the national questionnaire all respondents receive. The idea, Lenski said, is to be able to ask about issues that might be particularly relevant in key states.

“In Utah, for example, which has a large Mormon population, we’ll have questions specific to that population,” he said. “And you’ll see bigger state sample sizes in the big battleground states like Florida and Ohio.”

Rather than conducting oral interviews at polling places, Edison gives respondents written questionnaires to fill out. There are a couple of reasons for that, according to Lenski.

“One, we try to make the experience of registering your vote on the exit poll as close as we can to registering your vote at the polling place,” he said. “The other reason is that we don’t want to interfere with the election process, and asking people who they voted for as they’re leaving the polling place could be overheard by people going in. One of the reasons we get cooperation from election officials is that we can confirm that those questionnaires are private and confidential. There’s no notation on the questionnaire as to who filled it out.”

Edison’s response rate on its exit polls is considerably higher than is typical for phone surveys, Lenski said – about 45% of the voters the firm approaches agree to fill out questionnaires. But, he added, “Response rates in exit polls have gone down, but a lot more gradually than with traditional telephone surveys. When I started in this business, the response rate was more like 60%.”

That being the case, Edison’s field researchers try to address nonresponse bias – that is, the risk that the firm’s sample may not be representative of the entire electorate because of who chooses not to participate.

“Since we are at the polling place, our interviewers can record some characteristics of voters who decline to take part in the survey – approximate age, gender and race – so we can adjust our results for those factors,” Lenski said. “But there are other items we can’t account for visually. People don’t have a D or an R stamped on their foreheads, and you don’t know as they walk past you whether or not they have a college degree.”

After the polls close and actual results begin to be released, Edison will factor them in. If the returns differ markedly from the exit-poll results, the firm will update its analyses and projections accordingly.

“We will know shortly after the polls close,” Lenski said. “We’ll have individual precinct results from all the locations where we conducted interviews, so we’ll know how much understatement or overstatement for the candidates we have. Our calls are based on all the information we have at the time – exit polls, returns from sample precincts and county results from AP – and we may re-weight the exit poll results later in the evening to match the vote estimates by geographic region.”

The exit poll, he said, “is the one survey out there where you get evaluated immediately. We’ll process over 100,000 interviews, and within two hours we know how well we did.”

As early and absentee voting and vote-by-mail have become ever more significant, Lenski said, he’s also learned how those alternatives differ from each other.

“Historically, by which I mean before 2000, early voting was almost entirely absentee by mail, and it tended to be older voters,” he said. “Since the 2000 election, the Democratic Party has put a great deal of emphasis on early in-person voting, especially in states like Florida. It varies from state to state, depending a lot on the history in those states and how the political parties in in those states approach early voting, [but] the in-person early voting tends to be encouraged more by voter outreach and to be more Democratic, and the absentee by mail tends to be older voters or people who are traveling out of state, and to be more Republican.”

Colorado, Oregon and Washington are the only three states that conduct their elections entirely by mail, and Lenski has noticed trends based on when ballots are turned in.

“The pattern has been that the later-returned ballots in those states tend to be more Democratic and the ones turned in earlier tend to be more Republican,” he said. “One other thing we’ve seen sometimes is that the ballots turned in earlier tend to get counted first on Election Day, so that’s something we have to consider when we’re making our projections.”

“It definitely adds a source for more potential bias or error,” he added. “If Colorado or Arizona, for instance, looks like it might be a close state, we might be a lot more cautious about calling it until more actual votes are released.” (In Arizona, a normally Republican state where polls show a close race this year, two-thirds of the total 2012 vote was cast absentee.)

Besides the general-election exit poll, Edison also conducted exit polls during the Democratic and Republican primaries and does similar work in other countries. Overall, Lenski said, only 40% of Edison’s work is election-related. The firm’s main business is consumer research, tracking everything from what songs radio listeners prefer to which types of ads are most and least effective.

But the presidential exit poll is Edison’s highest-profile project, and the one that’s hardest to pull off successfully. In fact, Lenski said, the firm starts the process of picking its sample precincts more than a year before Election Day.

“A typical Election Day for me starts a little before 6 a.m., and I’m usually up for about 36 straight hours,” he said. “Hopefully I’ll have time on Wednesday to collapse and catch up on two days’ worth of sleep.”


132 posted on 12/01/2016 3:02:46 PM PST by kabar
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Good stuff. So the exit poll contains early voting samples of people called and asked if they early voted.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/frank-luntz-ban-exit-polls-231051

“Exit polling should be banned, political consultant Frank Luntz told CBS, lamenting that “the numbers were wrong all the way across the table on state after state after state” before the election night results began pouring in.

Luntz had predicted Tuesday that Hillary Clinton would score a runaway win, based largely on his reading of exit polls. He said at the time that high turnout in states like Michigan strongly favored the Democratic nominee.

Now, he’s the latest in the line of pollsters and pundits admitting they misjudged the election.

The Republican pollster tweeted that “all of tonight’s exit polls were wrong, and I was wrong for citing them,” speculating that Trump supporters either lied or refused to talk when asked about how they voted.”

It’s essentially understandable that the MSM is quoting how this type of person voted vs that type, because they paid a lot of money for those numbers — funding the operation.

It failed. But they’ll keep citing them.


133 posted on 12/01/2016 3:16:09 PM PST by Owen
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