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Why those polls that say Clinton’s ahead could be wrong
CNBC ^ | October 13, 2016 | Jake Novak

Posted on 10/13/2016 10:32:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

There's one word to describe the major national presidential election polls over the last two weeks: "wild."

Just about all of those wild swings in the polls lately have been in favor of Hillary Clinton, as she's now increased her lead from less than one percentage point in the RealClearPolitics poll average to 4.6 points as of Thursday morning.

But there's another word you have to use when you see such massive swings in the polls in just a few days with less than a month to go before Election Day: "baloney." And the reason why they're baloney has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, partisan weighting, or even Russian hacking. It's all about common sense.

The wild poll swings we saw after the first debate and after the Donald Trump "Access Hollywood" tape was leaked were not a straightforward case of Trump did a poor job or Trump looked bad so fewer people now say they'll vote for him. What happens in polling is that, if your candidate does something that makes him or her look bad, or that you don't agree with, you're less likely to want to answer poll questions about him – even if it's anonymous. It doesn't mean you still don't support him. Just that right this minute, you really don't want to talk about it....

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; Polls
KEYWORDS: hillary; polling; polls; trump
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1 posted on 10/13/2016 10:32:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From the article :

The crazy numbers are simply representative of which candidate’s supporters are responding to the polls more.

This entire scenario is just the latest example of why it’s not wise to call this contest over before it’s over. You’d think that after the third, fourth, or fifth crazy thing to happen in this election, the “experts” would get that.

I guess not. Should we take another poll?


2 posted on 10/13/2016 10:36:31 PM PDT by heterosupremacist ( "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s another word I think of...

Rigged.


3 posted on 10/13/2016 10:39:20 PM PDT by Paleo Pete (Proud to be a redneck deplorable)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Lies We Trust.


4 posted on 10/13/2016 10:40:52 PM PDT by chris37 (It's time to burn the GOP down.)
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To: heterosupremacist
Add to that the number who refuse to admit to pollsters that they support Trump, and the millions of newly registered Republicans nationwide, and the hundreds-of-thousands of Democrats who are voting Trump, and you just might have something...

Trump ~ 65%

Clinton ~ 27%

Bank it.

5 posted on 10/13/2016 10:40:54 PM PDT by Gargantua ("President Trump... nice ring to it..." ;^)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Interesting take.
I got Rasmussen-ed for the first time yesterday.
Their automatic phone button answering method is interesting.
I suspect that they have some interesting internals that they keep under wraps.
The questions were all leading questions and you cannot tell if they are giving the next certain question because of the answer you just gave or not.
I can just see someone choosing and including for effect instead of truth.
6 posted on 10/13/2016 10:41:17 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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In reality Trump is far, far ahead. His strategy of bypassing the media in favor of several massive rallies a week has gotten his message directly to the people...not filter. And once people see Trump they stop listening to the media. The media is desperately trying to do what they’ve done in the past but it’s not working....so they ratchet it up...and it still doesn’t work. It’s the ONLY weapon they have.


7 posted on 10/13/2016 10:43:06 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: right way right
I got Rasmussen-ed for the first time yesterday. Their automatic phone button answering method is interesting.

I was polled by Rasmussen several years ago, with the automatic phone button poll method. I thought it was very well done. No human on the other end to "imply" you are a racist if you say NO, I'm not voting for Obama.

I've also been polled by Quinnipiac (University) a couple of times, back in the GW Bush years. One of the polls was to answer questions about Connecticut candidates. I think the other was for presidential candidates.

8 posted on 10/13/2016 10:46:01 PM PDT by nutmeg (I am a proud Deplorable)
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9 posted on 10/13/2016 10:49:15 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (choo choo)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Polls now are intended to sway public opinion, not reflect it.


10 posted on 10/13/2016 10:54:02 PM PDT by exnavy ( psalm 27: 4 ...dwell in the house of the Lord, all the days of my life...)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

LOL! Good one.


11 posted on 10/13/2016 10:54:23 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (You can't spell TRIUMPH without TRUMP)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good article, I learned something.


12 posted on 10/13/2016 10:57:36 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Hating Islam is the natural consequence of caring about people in the Middle East, including Muslims)
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To: heterosupremacist

We never participate in polls or surveys at our house.

Anybody that wants information out of us has to work for it.


13 posted on 10/13/2016 11:12:34 PM PDT by Califreak (Vote for Batman!)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Flies are attracted to rotting meat.


14 posted on 10/13/2016 11:17:16 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: nutmeg

Pushing the buttons was easy enough, yes, I just think that they will delete the vote of the mid 50’s white man.
You see...I don’t trust them.
I don’t know how they make ALL of their money.


15 posted on 10/13/2016 11:29:35 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A somewhat encouraging word. Thanks, 2DV.


16 posted on 10/14/2016 1:33:41 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From the article:

“...Every poll has a list of the top people it wants to survey, but when and if those top people don’t respond, the survey’s statistical reliability starts to decline. ...”

What if —nobody— answered a poll?

I bet that is what happened with brexit.


17 posted on 10/14/2016 3:26:29 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Everyone is in denial,what’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Well folks guess what,we are all insane,we go through the same exercise every election cycle I can remember,facts are we had two terms of a guy who got blow jobs in the oval office and used a cigar on her among all the others he was doing,we have had eight years of a Muslim sympathizer,now we are going to have eight years of a lying felon with a Muslim brotherhood sympathizer as a chief of staff.
I don’t know how much evidence we need to come to the realization that our Country is filled with people who are all scam artists and crooks of every type,they just admire Hillary for her accomplishments,the perfect crime,she a felon will now be in charge of the entire criminal justice system,our military that she despises,she is the ultimate super hero villain,she has acquired the One Golden ring to control them all.
GOD HELP US ALL


18 posted on 10/14/2016 4:56:28 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: Califreak

I have received numerous calls from election pollsters and have NOT told them who I’m voting for, I just hang up and block them... I’m sure there are many(thousands) that do not respond to these poll calls either and I’m sure that skews these BS poll#’s also.


19 posted on 10/14/2016 5:08:14 AM PDT by OldWhammerJammer (KEEP ON TRUMPIN' !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is no enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article103298997.html young vote support for Clinton down from 24 % to 5%

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1182a12016ElectionPredebate.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/14/the-non-religious-are-now-the-countrys-largest-religious-voting-bloc/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-has-the-edge-among-people-planning-to-skip-election/
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296360-enthusiasm-gap-looms-for-clinton
(http://www.democracycorps.com/National-Surveys/voters-demand-government-a-political-reform/
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1182a12016ElectionPredebate.pdf


20 posted on 10/14/2016 5:34:20 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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