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Worried About Rand Paul Falling in the Polls? Don't Be. (Libertarians beginning to fret?)
Reason's Hit & Run Blog ^ | August 3, 2015 | Stephanie Slade, deputy managing editor

Posted on 08/04/2015 4:44:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Is Rand Paul's campaign in the midst of a collapse? Everyone from Nate Silver to Politico to the thinkers at Salon has suggested as much. It's fast becoming conventional wisdom that the Kentucky senator is dead in the water.

That's absurd on many levels, as my colleague Brian Doherty outlined beautifully last week. After all, John McCain's campaign struggled mightily in the money game and underwent a pretty serious reorganization during the '08 primary cycle. It didn't stop him from snagging the Republican nomination.

But what to make of the polling? There's no denying that Paul's standing has slipped. His RealClearPolitics average has gone from 17 percent in 2013 to less than 6 percent today. If you're a fan of Rand, should you be concerned?

Hardly.

As I've written here at Reason, national primary horserace polling is astonishingly bad at predicting the ultimate victor in a months-long nominating contest. Around this point in 2007, Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani were leading in the polls by double-digit margins. In 2011–12, no fewer than five different GOPers traded off for the first-place spot in national polls before Mitt Romney finally pulled out the win.

And the polling conditions this year are even worse. Having a reality TV celebrity jump into the race throws things off like crazy—because when polled early on, before they've had a chance to really learn about the different candidates, people tend to give the name of whomever they've heard of most often and/or recently. There's no question in 2015 that name is Donald Trump.

Some 98 percent of respondents in a recent CNN/ORC poll had heard of the New York billionaire. This gives him an enormous leg up. For Rand Paul, that number was more than 20 points lower. Scott Walker, meanwhile, was known by just 58 percent of respondents. So you can see how much room candidates like Walker and Paul have to improve.

Even now, Paul is in a reasonably strong position. That CNN/ORC survey put him tied with Ted Cruz for fifth position—fifth out of 17 declared Republican candidates.

I wouldn't be surprised, either, if a good number of the folks going to Trump in the polls right now ended up voting for Paul on Election Day—not because Trump's and Paul's positions on the issues are alike, but because Trump is attracting the type of people who are "fed up with establishment politics" and "tired of career politicians." But offering a different brand of Republicanism has been Paul's selling proposition all along. I doubt very much that, once they've stopped to think about it for a moment, GOP primary voters will decide they trust a former Clinton financier over the most interesting man in politics.

To be clear, I'm not saying I think Paul will win the nomination. For my money, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is still the man to beat. Nor am I saying early polling is good for absolutely nothing. Survey research gives campaigns important strategic insights into what the public knows and thinks. And in this particular year, when a candidate's performance in the polls might be enough to keep him or her off the main debate stage, it's likely that some bottom-tier presidential hopefuls will be pushed out of the race entirely because of how they fared in the polls.

But surely it's premature to disqualify someone who's polling in the front half of the pack more than six months out from the first primary ballots even being cast. Rand Paul's campaign isn't over. From the perspective of the rest of the country, the race has barely gotten started.


TOPICS: Kentucky; Campaign News; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: lping; polls; randpaul; trump
Look at the fundraising numbers. That's where Rand Paul is really falling flat on his face. He isn't even in the same league as his crazy father. Do you see Cruz supporters blaming Don Trump for their polling position?
1 posted on 08/04/2015 4:44:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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Google Ron Paul !
Google Ron Paul !
Google Ron Paul !
Google Ron Paul !
Google Ron Paul !

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2 posted on 08/04/2015 4:48:14 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rand is just as big a nut as his old man.


3 posted on 08/04/2015 4:50:51 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am only focused on the toughest anti-illegal immigration candidate.

In my opinion NOTHING matters more. Not social issues, not abortion, nothing. Not that those are not important. But if the illegals get their foot hold in the voting booths this country will forever be a left wing socialist cesspool remade in the image of Venezuela. If another Obama wins (be it Obama, Hillary, or Biden) we’re toast and social issues will be defined by what we’re seeing today with the PP sting videos and full federal attack on conservative groups.


4 posted on 08/04/2015 4:55:17 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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"If another Obama wins (be it Obama, Hillary, or Biden)"

Or John Ellis "Act of Love" Bush, Marco "Gang of Eight" Rubio, LaRaza Rick Perry or Mike "Sanctuary" Huckabee or...

5 posted on 08/04/2015 4:57:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ. You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The turd didn’t drop far from the bull.


6 posted on 08/04/2015 5:09:56 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rand Paul doesn’t look or act like a guy who could ever be President. He looks like a ferret, and he whines like a sissy and desperately clings to talking points.

He has no chance, never did.


7 posted on 08/04/2015 5:12:15 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Organic Panic

“But if the illegals get their foot hold in the voting booths this country will forever be a left wing socialist cesspool remade in the image of Venezuela.”

And that’s if illegals carrying nukes don’t get to us first.


8 posted on 08/04/2015 5:12:46 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

9 posted on 08/04/2015 5:15:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ. You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; MeshugeMikey

Is there a channel on cable someplace running a debate between Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, and Meghan McCain?


10 posted on 08/04/2015 5:36:50 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("Psychopathia Sexualis, I'm in love with a horse that comes from Dallas" - Lenny Bruce (1958))
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To: MrEdd

Well put.


11 posted on 08/04/2015 5:55:22 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Or John Ellis "Act of Love" Bush, Marco "Gang of Eight" Rubio, LaRaza Rick Perry or Mike "Sanctuary" Huckabee or...

Exactly. Any pro illegal candidate must be stopped.
12 posted on 08/04/2015 6:13:46 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: gov_bean_ counter

FALL, RON, FALL!!!


13 posted on 08/04/2015 6:22:33 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“Rand is just as big a nut as his old man.”

Rand is far worse than his old man. You could find just a few things to like about his old man. Rand just seems evil to me.


14 posted on 08/04/2015 6:39:54 PM PDT by Revel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You got that right, any of the Democrats in R jerseys are even worse because they wear R jerseys and Congress would more be likely to pass something to
“Comprehensively Screw Americans Out Of Their Country”


15 posted on 08/04/2015 6:48:10 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It wasn't all that long ago that Rand was making some conservative-sounding noises and had a small following on FR as a "maybe he's finally come around to conservatism" candidate......if FR was a ship, we'd all be seasick because of those who keep running from side-to-side every time they "get wind of something".

Would be funny if it weren't so sad.

16 posted on 08/05/2015 3:23:24 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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