Posted on 12/16/2014 5:31:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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RUSH: Here's Bob in Nashua, New Hampshire, as we head back to the phones. Great to have you with us, sir. Hello.
CALLER: Yeah, thanks, Rush. Yeah, this theme of the GOP establishment that the Tea Party and conservatives are the main enemy not the Dems, it's nothing new. It goes back, really, to the 2008 presidential election when the Republican establishment -- or at least many in the establishment -- sabotaged McCain-Palin. Because, to them, Palin was the bigger threat, the bigger enemy than the Democrats winning. You know, the funny thing is now more than six years later, in my opinion Palin remains -- of course it's unsaid -- the bigger threat, the bigger enemy than the Dems.
I say Palin in particular, because she remains probably the most influential single Tea Party conservative political figure. Yet her name is never mentioned by Fox News and the faux conservatives. But the bottom line: She and the conservatives are the bigger enemy to this GOP establishment, not the Democrats. That's what Jeb Bush, Romney, and Christie establishments are all about: Stop the Palin conservatives. After all, you know, looking back, Romney's strategy in 2012 to get the nomination was to divvy up the conservative contenders among third stringers like Michele Bachmann and Herb (sic) Caine really, I think, to stop Palin and give Romney the plurality.
RUSH: Well, you think it's still oriented around and focused on Palin?
CALLER: I do, because think about it. The reason I say she's more influential and popular than anybody else is because she's probably the only Republican figure or politician that if she publicly said, "I'm not gonna support the Republicans," it would sabotage them. The Republicans would have no chance. I mean, after all, they kept her out of 2012. They kept her out of the conventions because Romney had to keep her out and get these third-stringer conservatives in there to lose so we'd go to plurality. They kept her out. But she didn't say anything to stop it. Now, if she goes record now -- and she will, if they go with a Jeb Bush type or Romney type. She'll go past them.
RUSH: Well, I tell you what. I am hearing from people who heretofore have sworn off third-party. "No way, Rush. That's a sucker's bet. I wouldn't do it. That's guaranteed Democrat victory for as long as we all live." I'm having these people who have told me this say if there was a viable third party, they would be there right now after this budget deal. They would be there. I mean, that is the degree to which...
I don't know what you call it. Frustration. Anger. But you talk about squandering an election landslide victory? It has been squandered. This whole budget deal totally squanders an election victory before the Republicans are even sworn in as the majority in both the House and the Senate, and the only thing that explains this is an objective that is never publicly stated. I mean, you'll never have any Republican establishment type or consultant or potential presidential candidate admit this. They will never say, they'll never admit that the Tea Party is the enemy.
They will never admit they're trying to wipe out conservative women. They'll do just the opposite. But you have to look at the actions here. But I'll tell you, this Ted Cruz vote was very, very, very instructive. All it was, was a point of order. It had nothing behind it. It was just Ted Cruz doing what he was elected to do. The reactions he's getting? "He's just fundraising! He's just grandstanding! He's just trying to use the Senate to further his own political aspirations. He doesn't really mean it. We're not gonna get sucked in, and we're not gonna be used by Ted Cruz!"
So for whatever the reason, 22 Republican senators voted with Cruz on this little point of order that Obama's amnesty is illegal constitutionally. If you can't even go on record meaningless point of order, then it stands to reason that when it comes time for the gloves to come off, you're not gonna do anything. That is absolutely true, too. But I don't know how else you categorize this budget vote as anything other than a total abdication of the mandate that they won, and they appeared to do it enjoyably. They appeared to happily do this, I might add.
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RUSH: Joyce in Cartersville, Georgia, great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hey, Rush. Merry Christmas.
originalRUSH: Same to you. Same to you.
CALLER: Thank you. Well, I've listened to you over the years, and whenever anybody's brought up third-party, you've always pooh-poohed the idea saying, you know, you don't want to split the vote, that it would definitely hurt the Republican Party. But I was so glad to hear your thoughts today on the Republican Party being pretty much that the Republicans and the Democrats are pretty much the same thing.
RUSH: Well, now people are just tuning in, and you don't want to give them the wrong idea. I said on three things -- amnesty, Obamacare, and the budget, you can't... (interruption) What was that, H.R.?" (interruption) Yeah. On the budget/size of government, I can't find any difference in them. They agree on amnesty, they agree on extending Obamacare, and they don't want to shrink government.
CALLER: I think there's no difference in them screwing the American people. I mean, they're exactly the same thing, and the last election we had proved that, that we have the votes to beat Democrat politicians or whatever.
RUSH: I know.
CALLER: Now Republicans, I honestly don't see it --
RUSH: I know.
CALLER: -- as a person who lives in their budget and has to go grocery shopping and continues to pay more and more.
RUSH: I understand.
CALLER: I think that if there is a conservative candidate that we cannot get on a Republican ticket, a third party may provide us with the conservative leader that we all want and have been hoping for in this party. I no longer call myself a Republican because they don't represent me and haven't for a long time, and I think that from what you said today, it's obvious how you're feeling now about the Republican Party. People like you, with your influence -- and I've called before and you said you could be, you know, my conservative mouthpiece. I said on the last phone call to you that, with people like you -- conservative powerhouses -- backing a conservative candidate, I think that the American people would vote for them. I think the Republicans and the Democrats would lose. Because, personally, I'm sick of 'em, and I think everybody else is, too.
RUSH: Well, they are. It's just, elections are not quite that simple. There's a really important thing called money that trumps ideas and ideology practically every time.
originalCALLER: Yeah, you know --
RUSH: I guarantee you if what you say happened, the Democrats would join with the Republicans to trounce whatever third party candidate ran. I'm not shooting you down here. Don't misunderstand. I'm just telling you what would happen. The thing is, I still think taking over the Republican Party is better. I think the Tea Party has more votes than the standard Republicans, but I could be wrong about that.
There are plenty of what I call mainstream Republican voters who favor amnesty. Many Republican voters, they don't want to hear a word about social issues, and they really don't care about government getting smaller. I mean, the Republican Party is not all conservative voters. Question is: Does the Tea Party -- and I use that to mean conservatives. Do we outnumber other Republicans in the party? The third-party route is a really, really, really tough row to hoe, but I understand your thoughts on this.
Everybody's frustrated.
You're squandering, squandering a landslide victory before you're even sworn in. Anyway, I'm not turning you away disappointed, Joyce. It's just not as heroically simple as all that, and you can't find any recent example of third-party success. So it would be something done for the long term. If you do it, you've gotta commit to it, and it's gonna be the long term, 'cause you're not gonna win for a while. You're just not gonna have the money, the forces and all that. It would take time. But I appreciate the call. Thanks very much.
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It certainly hasn’t taken UKIP that long to shake the Tories and Labor to their core in England. When people have had enough, they will insist on having a party they can vote for with conviction. It’s ballots or bullets at that point.
There is an ocean wide difference between electoral situation in UK versus USA.
Romney’s strategy in 2012 to get the nomination was to divvy up the conservative contenders among third stringers like Michele Bachmann
YEP
Ford was the first nominee I voted for. If
Jeb is the nominee, W will have been the last Republican I voted for for POTUS. This might be the end of my 40 year run.
We apparently need to defeat republicanism before liberalism.
El rushbo shilling for the gop. Again. He hears the frustration but by gosh can’t support leaving that gop plantation. No way. The gop can’t be defeated! What we have to do is change the gop!
In a way, I actually agree with his premise. The gop as a wing of the uniparty probably can’t be defeated. His conclusion, though, is completely wrong. Trying to wrest control over the gop wing of the uniparty is a fool’s errand. The uniparty has been crushing upstart challengers for the last 150 years. They’re very, very good at it. There’s no reason to believe today’s conservatives are going to be any more successful than those in the past.
The logical solution, although you’ll never hear it out of the all feeling, all knowing, all self-absorbed maharushie...is to not waste your time and efforts playing a suckers game. If you want freedom and liberty, you aren’t going to find it in electoral politics.
“We apparently need to defeat republicanism before liberalism.”
Apparently, ‘republicanism’ and it’s GOPe ‘leadership’ once again has no message or (spoken) mission statement as clearly indicated by their behavior and comments with the election just days behind them. They will clearly go after their #1 perceived enemy, and that enemy is anyone who embraces conservative principles. They will demonize people such as Cruz and Lee with the same vengeance the libtards went after Palin After all, just because a liberal calls himself a Republican (plenty of names come to mind), does not mean they will not stab us in the back at every opportunity. It just means they truthfully believe we are ignorant fools!
That pretty much sums up what I’m watching those tards on the hill do to us...
In the US we have no such political consensus. Both parties have abandoned the American worker in favor of their corporate paymasters. We bring in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year and have been doing so since 1990. In addition, we have guest worker programs that admit 640,000 a year. These foreign workers take American jobs and depress wages during a time when we have the lowest labor participation rates since 1978.
We had one executive amnesty for the Dreamers in 2012 that legalized, to date. 580,000 and gave them work permits and SSNs. We now have another executive amnesty that will legalize more than 5 million and virtually stop any deportations of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. And no doubt there will be a surge of more illegals hoping to take advantage of the new amnesty. They will have plenty of phony documents to get them legalization.
The GOP's response has been mixed to put the best face on it. 20 Reps joined the Dems in not condemning Obama's actions. The amnesty will not be reversed. It will destroy this country.
We will have a third party that will come about as American workers find a way to express their unhappiness with mass immigration. They resent the colonization by the Third World. Europe is ahead of the US when it comes to the impact of immigration on their culture and values. They are starting to fight back in the streets and at the ballot box. The political and corporate elites have real reason to fear the people.
Mark Levin is similar. Yesterday, he was 1 inch away from dumping the GOP. Close, but not quite there.
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Conservatives need to wake up. They have been using that same ‘change from inside’ argument since the Lott/Frist/Hastert era. And they still haven’t made much headway.
In fact, they have sort of lost ground, as Boehner gave the chairmanships to his cronies and moderates. Look for McConnell to do similar.
Conservative women? What does the conservative's sex have to do with it? Conservative men and women are under attack. That's what matters.
RUSH: Well, I tell you what. I am hearing from people who heretofore have sworn off third-party. "No way, Rush. That's a sucker's bet...."
Ironic, since the strategic solution to that sucker's bet is to vote for a Republican president whose documented record proved him squarely on board with five major Democrat tyrannical agendas: government run health care, legal and subsidized abortion, forced "rights" to accommodate open homosexuals, environmentalist control over food and energy production to "save the planet," and activist left-leaning judges, not to mention gun control.
It's a fact, you can look it up. IT WAS A SUCKER'S BET to vote for the guy, Rush!!! Helloooooooooo?????????
*sigh*
You are exactly right, true common sense: Trying to wrest control over the gop wing of the uniparty is a fool’s errand. The uniparty has been crushing upstart challengers for the last 150 years. They’re very, very good at it. There’s no reason to believe today’s conservatives are going to be any more successful than those in the past.
RUSH says: Elections are not quite that simple.
Too smart by half. A vote for Cochran was a vote for a lying traitorous cockroach to represent Republicans. It was quite that simple, and so are the consequences.
RUSH says: I still think taking over the Republican Party is better.
Oh, really! From someone who lives in Realville? Or Wishville?
RUSH: I mean, the Republican Party is not all conservative voters.
"Conservative" as in "use government conservatively, as in limited government," or "conservative" as in "use government to enforce Christian morality"? It seems clear to me that the less government, the more freedom people have to thrive within the Judeo Christian structure; government usurping Christian staples such as charity (entitlement welfare) and the right to civilly reject open homosexuality is what has lead to most of America's moral malaise. It's against the law to "live" Christian, half the time.
Who are "conservative voters," Rush? True conservatism -- that is, advocacy for the LIMITED USE, the conservative use of government, unites MORAL Americans who yearn to be free and to thrive.
Rush is going to be in a very hard place if the GOP moves ahead as scheduled and nominates another Romney.
There is an ocean wide difference between electoral situation in UK versus USA.
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Thank you. Worth repeating.
Where you going to find it?
Nice rant, hotshot. So what IS "the logical solution?" You "forgot" to say.
“I mean, you’ll never have any Republican establishment type or consultant or potential presidential candidate admit this. They will never say, they’ll never admit that the Tea Party is the enemy.” Really, Rush? Really? Are you totally deaf, high or a liar?
We need a Second Party Democrats and Republicans are One Party.
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