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Ron Paul’s tweets tonight show why he’s a big liability for Rand Paul in 2016
Vox ^ | November 4, 2014 | Zack Beauchamp

Posted on 11/04/2014 9:54:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

It's been a pretty good election night for Republicans so far. That means that, naturally, former GOP member of Congress and general gadfly Ron Paul decided to rain on the parade:

Ron Paul ✔ @RonPaul

Republican control of the Senate = expanded neocon
wars in Syria and Iraq. Boots on the ground are coming!

7:34 PM - 4 Nov 2014

1,168 Retweets 524 favorites

On a night when most of his former party is celebrating its moves toward taking the Senate, Paul is bemoaning the idea of a Republican takeover on grounds that it'll lead to more wars in the Middle East. Normally, vitriol from an ex-congressman wouldn't bother anyone. But there's the small matter of Paul's son, Rand — the GOP senator who's almost certainly running for president in 2016. This tweet bemoaning the GOP takeover of the Senate is just a taste of the problems that the father will cause the son in his bid to win the Republican nomination.

Here's the big issue. Both Ron and Rand Paul share a commitment to downsizing America's involvement in foreign wars. But while Ron is an absolutist more interested in speaking his mind than building allies in the Republican party, Rand is a strategist who's built a version of foreign policy non-interventionism designed to succeed in the actual Republican party.

This isn't to say that Rand agrees with Ron on everything and is lying to voters. That doesn't appear to be true: Rand has long had a different vision of the world than Ron. But not everyone believes that. A number of media reports have already linked Rand and his ideas to Ron's ideas, each time providing grist for the anti-Rand Paul mill among more hawkish Republicans.

And Rand Paul is already facing an uphill battle on that front. The Republican consensus on foreign policy is considerably more aggressive than Rand's views are. He's trying to gently nudge them in a different direction — but the more he's linked to father's extreme — and sometimes outright crankish — views, the harder that's going to be. Ron Paul is toxic among Republican elites, exactly the kind of people Rand needs to win over in his presidential bid.

Which is why things like this tweet are so problematic. For one thing, Ron's prediction here is kind of crankish: the president, not Congress, will determine whether US soldiers go to fight ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Moreover, he's implicitly saying that Democrats (as the somewhat less interventionist party) are better if you hold views like his — or Rand's. When Ron says things like this in a high profile way — say, on election night — it raises questions about Rand-Ron links among exactly the wrong people.

It's not clear Ron is going to stop anytime soon. He's now the chairman of the Ron Paul Institute, a think tank whose publications have names like "Neocon Watch." Ron's publications have been a problem for him in the past, but it doesn't look like he plans on packing his keyboard away. But as long as he's publishing, he's a threat to his son's 2016 campaign.


TOPICS: Kentucky; Issues; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: 2016; lping; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; randsconcerntrolls; ronpaul; ronpaultruthfile; twitter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He's reliably a knife in the back for conservatives and always there for America's foes.
21 posted on 11/04/2014 10:24:20 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Regardless of what Ron Paul tweets, I won’t for his son for anything ever.

Dude’s all over the map and full of crap.


22 posted on 11/04/2014 10:24:51 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remember Ross Perot’s “crazy aunt in the basement”? Somebody gave her a smart phone.


23 posted on 11/04/2014 10:25:43 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: Bettyprob; 2ndDivisionVet
Who cares what you said a few weeks ago? I support Scott Walker for President right now.

Notice the pattern, anybody but Ted Cruz.

And I doubt, as a "Conservative" he/she/it can't provide a cogent reason why he/she/it is not supporting Ted for President.
24 posted on 11/04/2014 10:27:26 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Notice the pattern; anybody but Ted Cruz

What nobody is saying is that almost every constitutional conservative won. Ted Cruz is going to have a few more friends in the US Senate. Besides that, with Cotton and Ernst, there's going to be a conservative voice with military experience in the US Senate.

What's my point? Ted Cruz just might be the winner tonight, with numbers and with the increased breadth of experience of the conservatives who've been elected.

25 posted on 11/04/2014 10:49:00 PM PST by grania
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To: Bettyprob

There’s a reason Paul is at or near the top in the national and early primary polls, ...
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And the reason is because of the liberal media and various pundits who keep trying to shove him down our throats, just as they do Huckabee, Cristi and Jeb! Conservatives aren’t buying that snake oil!!


26 posted on 11/04/2014 11:49:16 PM PST by octex
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; Viennacon; ...

FU RON PAUL. LIARtarian.


27 posted on 11/05/2014 12:00:50 AM PST by Impy (Voting democrat out of spite? Then you are America's enemy, like every other rat voter.)
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To: Bettyprob

he didnt tear down any conservative, he tore down Rand Paul

FOR PEACE!
FOR POT!
FOR LEGAL HOOKERS!
FOR LOWERING THE AGE OF CONSENT FOR GAY MEN TO BUGGER LITTLE BOYS!
FOR RON PAUL!


28 posted on 11/05/2014 2:41:44 AM PST by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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To: Bettyprob

RON PAUL LOVES STORMFRONT!!
http://ronpaulsupporters.com/white-power-groups/


29 posted on 11/05/2014 2:43:38 AM PST by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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To: Bettyprob; SoConPubbie

RON PAUL FOUND ON NEO-NAZI WEB SITES BY HACKER GROUP
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb5_1372379074

Ron Paul on the Morton Downey show, showing his pro-druggie views in the 1980’s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxDrfs4GtM


Ron Paul Campaign Uses Soros-funded Research
January 16, 2012
By Cliff Kincaid

Rick Santorum told Ron Paul in last Saturday’s debate: “You should know better than to cite George Soros-like organizations.” The comment came in response to attacks on Santorum’s record from the Texas Congressman and libertarian running in the Republican presidential primaries.

Exposed for using Soros-funded research in an attack ad charging that that Santorum had been “one of the most corrupt” members of Congress, Paul had no explanation or response, except to say that “somebody” had done a survey attacking Santorum and he used it in the ad. The Ron Paul ad includes the line, “I’m Ron Paul and I approve this message.”

The exchange adds to Republican fears that Paul is trying to weaken or divide Republicans in order to guarantee Obama’s re-election.

http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=2825


While some political observers question whether Paul has the staying power and widespread appeal to win the nomination, his campaign has proven unique in one respect: he’s drawing serious support from Muslims.

After abandoning the GOP in droves during the George W. Bush presidency, some Muslims say Paul is the kind of Republican who could draw them back and seriously challenge their loyalty to President Obama.

http://patdollard.com/2012/01/cair-muslims-endorse-ron-paul/


I post this because it involves groups that have openly supported the Islamic terrorists against the US

I know, it 3 days old but just wanted to be sure Ron Paul supporters saw this article. Suzie Benjamin of Code Pink,(note: she likes to be called “Medea” who in Greek mythology killed her children to spite her husband, lovely, huh, so call her Suzi, she hates that) who pals around with Adam Kokesh of IVAW, SDS, ANSWER. World Can’t Wait, has been hanging out with Ron Paul, based on my own personal observations going back to 2007. These are radical left wing nutcases! I have folks tell me “Well I like Paul’s policies on the federal reserve!” Really! Just remember what happened the last time folks ignored radical associations by someone running for President!
And make sure you add Veterans for Peace to this list of radical nutcases. A year or so ago I received an email from a troop supporter who sent me an email showing an exhibit that supposedly honored our fallen Warriors. IT WAS NOT HONORING OUR FALLEN WARRIORS, it was an anti-war exhibit of the vilest kind, exploiting the most noble among us who fought willingly and died nobly to give these creeps their right to freedom of speech.

Ron Paul’s core supporters are radical left wing ideologues so ask yourself this: Are you willing to stand with the likes of Suzi Benjamin and Adam Kokesh, because if you stand for Ron Paul, you stand with all these folks too. It’s just that simple!
And allow me to leave you with this fact: Adam Kokesh told this mother to my face that my Son, who served 4 deployments with the 82nd Airborne, was a terrorist and I was the mother of a terrorist! So the hard core Ron Paul supporters see my brave Son who was willing to lay his life down for this creep, as the terrorist! These are dangerous radicals and I suggest those who have thrown in with these nutcases take the blinders off and do some research!! Surely I would hope you ask yourself why Kokesh would call my Son a terrorist?!!! My Son, a Soldier who fought terrorists to keep us all safe, is the terrorist, in the eyes of the Iraq Veteran Against the War and Russian TV star Adam Kokesh. Do some research folks!
Those in the troop support movement whose boots have been on the ground since 2007 know Adam and Suzi and the whole bunch of traitors, and that is what they are, traitors to freedom and liberty!
One more piece of information voters should know about Suzi, she helped funnel $650,000 to the terrorists in Fallujah back in 2004, with the help of Congressman Henry Waxman. While our Soldiers were figthing and dying over there, she was sending money to the terrorists! I’m sure she loves Ron Paul, he thinks we should talk to these butchers! I remember 9/11 and I will never forget my fellow Americans who were slaughtered that day by psycho maniacs who have no interest in talking, only getting you to submit to them and their murderous way of life.

http://www.breitbart.com/?Big-Peace/2012/03/06/?ron-pauls-latest-advocate-code-?pink


Ron Paul and his supporters are against AGE OF CONSENT LAWS, especially between Gay men and BOYS
http://www.dailypaul.com/70100/age-of-consent?page=1

Ron Paul posing for photos at a Ron Paul fundraiser held by the racist group STORMFRONT
http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2011/12/Ron-Paul-with-Stormfront-owner-Don-Black-and-son-Derick-Black.jpg


Ron Paul’s white supremecist radio connections
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-pauls-white-supremacist-radio-connections/


Ron Paul on Iranian TV in 2009, praising Hamas and bashing Israel
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/12/ron-paul-on-iranian-tv-2009-defends-hamas-and-suicide-bombing-bashes-israel.html


Ron Paul proves his love for the constitution by ignoring the Constitution concerning Obama and his foreign birth
https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/ron-paul-thinks-obama-eligibility-is-irrelevant/


Neo-Nazi complains about Ron Paul’s denial of ties to white supremacists (updated)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/neonazi_complains_about_ron_pa.html


Internet hacker group intercepts e-mails connecting Ron Paul to racist groups
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/anonymous-reveals-close-ties-between-ron-paul-and-neo-nazis/


Ron Paul: Last of the Dixie Cons??
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1663/834/The_Last_of_the_DixieCons.html?currentSplittedPage=0


The Campaign for Liberty, a RON PAUL organization, was selling copies of the most anti-semitic publication in history, the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION.

This book was used to justify murdering Jews around the world, and is still cited in Islamic extremist justifications for killing Jews.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100312220457/http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=5560


Here is the Ron Paul fanatic who placed this book for sale online while supporting ROn Paul on the official website for the Campaign for Liberty:

http://web.archive.org/web/20100312220457/http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=5560


Tehran Ron says he would not have ordered the raid on Bin laden, but on video, he sure did say he would have
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2834019/posts


Ron Paul supports legal dope and prostitution
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/06/Ron_Paul_on_Prostitution_Gay_Marriage/

Starts half way in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mz9pDGHBTo&feature=related


Nevada prostitutes endorse Ron Paul
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/nevada-prostitutes-endorse-ron-paul/


White supremecist David Duke endorses Ron Paul;
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-he%E2%80%99s-voting-for-ron-paul/


Ron Paul refuses to disavow STORMFRONT associations
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45537/ron-paul-refuses-to-disavow-stormfront-other-anti-semitic-racist-groups-openly-campaigning-for-him/


Ron Paul SUPPORTS NAMBLA
http://videosift.com/video/Does-Ron-Paul-Support-NAMBLA-Well-yes-and-no
http://www.dailypaul.com/70100/age-of-consent?page=1


Why do the Ron Paul guys support gay marriage?
http://www.queerty.com/ron-paul-on-gay-marriage-20071210/


the 2008 RONULAN economic advisor to Ron paul saying that libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
Libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP

VIDEO of Schiff saying just that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbebbqyQG6Y&list=UUfwzGhe9U4UnbYl60Tud9ww&index=1&feature=plcp


RON PAUL SUPPORTERS ARE PLANNING ON FILLING ALL DELEGATE POSITIONS WITH RON PAUL SUPPORTERS THROUGHOUT THE GOP!! THEN, IGNORING THE VOTE TALLY AND VOTING FOR RON PAUL!!

VOTER FRAUD ALERT!!

http://ronpauldelegates.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/become-a-delegate/


RONULANS calling for the takeover of the GOP Republican Liberty Caucus, to infiltrate and take it over!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?111402-Take-Over-the-GOP%21-Join-the-Republican-Liberty-Caucus-Ron-Paul-is-a-Member


An organization called Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth video taped an inpromtu appearance with Ron Paul and recorded some of his comments. They can be found here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/


While Ron Paul has said on TV shows such as Glen Beck that he dismisses the major theories, he openly says there is a coverup of what went on yet refuses to elaborate on just what is covered up. The 9/11 Comission clearly showed that intelligence failures happened because of Clinton era laws that prevented our inteligence agancies from communicating with each other.

On the website CONSPIRACY PLANET, information about Ron Paul and issues similar to this can be found:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=90


Ron Paul has publically said that the CIA has accomplished a coup against America and needs to be taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dECSYm5bSM


A direct quote from this conference is as such:
(January 20, 2010) House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”

Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said: “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries...”

Additional video proof of him saying this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c


And here is one prominant website that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling for a RON PAUL PROVISIONAL ARMY to take over after we investigate the 9/11 events:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/


Among the other kooky connections to Ron Paul, is a UFO COnnection. I have yet to find the original article, but numerous articles repeat the belief of Ron Paul’s that UFO’s are real. Some of the Ron Paul sites have soeone trying to mock this belief, but the Ron Paul site, DailyPaul.com says this:
http://dailypaul.com/node/125999


This has been repeated again in San Francisco, not known to support conservatives or Libertarians anyways, but associated with Ron Paul out there were UFO enthusiasts mentioned in this article:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2007/08/ron_pauls_ufo_sighter_friends.php


How is it that the kookiest ideas are surrounding Ron Paul? Ron Paul, UFO disclosure, etc... simply nothing more than a pacifier — a distraction!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message462483/pg1


Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/18/rep-paul-codepink-camp-israel-aid-opposition/


Ron Paul and his acolytes are following George Soros on the defense of our nation, and connections between the two have been proved
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/01/02/ron-pauls-soros-defense-plan/


Tehran TV LOVES Ron Paul!

http://www.aim.org/special-report/tehran-tv-loves-ron-paul/


Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition


Glenn Beck exposes Ron Paul’s ties to Soros. Does it shock you, or does it do much to explain why Ron Paul is friendly with “Bawney” Frank and almost as bad as Obama is when it comes to illegal aliens and Islam? Listen to video please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSHGhq19CM


Dennis Prager point sout Ron Paul’s lunacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qqHAoXRVk4g


Ron Paul says he is against the NDAA bill, so why didn’t he VOTE AGAINST it??
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/ron-paul-supporters-claim-he-opposes-the-ndaa-so-why-didnt-he-vote-on-it/


Ron Paul supporters quizzed on the Constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISuQAdKWuR8&feature=g-all-u&context=G2591ab9FAAAAAAAACAA


As homosexual Army soldier Bradley Manning’s treason trial continues at Fort Meade, Maryland, the support he has received from Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been curiously ignored by the major media, now touting Paul as someone who could win the January 3 Iowa Republican Caucuses. Paul has called Manning, a crossdresser with acknowledged mental problems, a “hero” and “patriot” for stealing government secrets and providing them to WikiLeaks.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2011/12/21/kincaid-ron-paul-says-accused-traitor-is-a-patriot/


While campaigning in Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement, comparing it to the Tea Party movement. “In many ways, I identify with both groups,” Paul said. Both groups are fed up with problems in Washington and “the two-party-system,” Paul said while speaking at an insurance company in Des Moines. Praising the left-wing Occupy Wall Street movement is an unusual move for a Republican presidential candidate, but Ron Paul is, of course, an unusual Republican presidential candidate. He jumped to first place in the Iowa caucus polls partly because of support from people who aren’t Republicans. His comments that members of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are unhappy with the “two-party system” could fuel speculation that Paul will make a third-party bid of his own—something he has not ruled out.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ron-paul-praises-occupy-wall-street_614967.html


Iran wants nuclear weapons because you gain respect with them:
Apparently alluding to Israel and its nuclear-weapons arsenal, Paul said that “if I were an Iranian, I’d like to have a nuclear weapon, too, because you gain respect from them.”
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/ron-paul-tells-iowa-voters-says-iran-needs-nuclear-weapons-to-%E2%80%9Cgain-respect%E2%80%9D-from-israel-u-s-sanctions-are-an-act-of-war/


Libertarians call for open borders, just like Democrats:
COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
“”The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””


30 posted on 11/05/2014 2:45:50 AM PST by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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To: Yaelle

I prefer RONULAN...


31 posted on 11/05/2014 2:53:35 AM PST by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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To: RaceBannon
Apart from all that what have the Romans ever done to us?
32 posted on 11/05/2014 5:05:33 AM PST by Scoutmaster (Opinions don't affect facts. But facts should affect opinions, and do, if you're rational)
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