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Libertarians, Gay Marriage, and Freedom of Association: A Primer
Reason Magazine ^ | August 19, 2014 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 08/25/2014 9:35:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

How the same right allows for both same-sex marriage recognition and refusing to sell gay couples wedding cakes.

How can a libertarian support gay marriage but also the right of businesses to decline to provide goods and services such as cakes, wedding dresses, and photographers for gay weddings? For many libertarians, it makes perfect logical, philosophical, and legal sense.

But from the outside perspective, it often does not. As a result, critics looking for an opportunity to throw shade on the increased media and public interest in libertarian ideas can focus on just a piece of this mentality. We saw the Village Voice do just that recently, as media critic Roy Edroso incorrectly declared that we here are "more likely" to defend the rights of private individuals and businesses who want to discriminate against gays than the rights of gay couples to demand marriage recognition from the government.

Reason Editor-in-Chief Matt Welch already responded by highlighting our lengthy history of support for gay marriage, going all the way back to 1975. As a gay libertarian who writes frequently on both components, perhaps I can help illuminate some concepts here and explain why arguing that gays have the right to marry each other and arguing that businesses have the right to deny them goods and services are fundamentally connected to manifestations of the same right: freedom of association.

The Way You Libertarians 'Support' Gay Marriage Is Kind of Weird

That's not a direct quote from anyone in particular, but is my interpretation of how libertarian attitudes toward gay marriage are perceived by many on the left, particularly whenever libertarian issues pop up on gay blogs.

To get really basic, libertarians generally believe the power of government should be limited to what is necessary to protect the rights of the citizenry. There are a lot of different ways this belief manifests among libertarians and different libertarians draw the line in different places—there's as much variety of opinion among libertarians as there is among progressives and conservatives—but this is the underlying philosophy and it influences where a libertarian comes from. Freedom of association is one of these rights—the inherent right of human beings to choose with whom they want to spend their time and money, to unionize with, and to sell goods, services or labor to without unnecessary government intrusion.

It's important to understand then that libertarian support for same-sex marriage and civil liberties for gay people in general is not a result of how libertarians feel about gay people. It has nothing to do with whether an individual libertarian actually likes or is comfortable with being around gay people or even whether a libertarian thinks homosexuality is a natural outcome of biological diversity or whether gay people are going to hell. Support for same-sex marriage is a result of a belief that gay people, just like heterosexual people, have the right through freedom of association to create their own families and expect to be treated the same way under the law. Laws forbidding recognition of gay marriage are a government intrusion on this inherent right.

If You Guys Support Gay Marriage, Why Do You Keep Wanting to Get the Government Out of It?

You shouldn't need a license from the government to express or commemorate your rights. For many libertarians, just having licensed marriages at all is an imposition of unnecessary government control. Many libertarians do not believe that the government has a legitimate stake in determining who should or should not be allowed to declare themselves to be married. (Note that the question of whether the government has an actual stake in restricting marriage to heterosexuals is frequently asked in current legal challenges against the bans, resulting in some rather strange arguments from opponents claiming that allowing gay marriages will somehow result in fewer heterosexual marriages.)

Unfortunately for a free people, governments everywhere have tied all sorts of privileges, regulations, and benefits (and sometimes penalties!) to marital status. Many libertarians believe that many of these rules should not be tied to marital status and often shouldn't exist at all. Marital relationships should be handled by private contracts, which would still require some government involvement, particularly once children are introduced, but generally would not be subject to a federal or state stamp of approval.

Though the "get government out of marriage entirely" response is a typical refrain from libertarian-leaning conservative politicians who have been getting attention in recent years, nobody has really introduced a system by which that could happen or truly expressed a vision of how the government would disentangle itself from the many, many policies it has already put into place. For many libertarians, supporting same-sex marriage is then an imperfect but acceptable solution for now. Married gay couples should be treated the same under the law as heterosexual couples. Some other libertarians, however, are holding the line, worried that this compromise expands the power of the state to define relationships, and would rather force the government to surrender its authority to determine who can and cannot be married entirely. But either way, it's important to note that both outcomes give gay and lesbian people much more actual freedom to create their own families than they have had until recently.

If You Support Gay Marriage What's the Deal with Permitting Discrimination Against Gays?

If you philosophically believe in a particular right, it should naturally follow that a right extends to everybody, including those who disagree with you or even hold positions you find detestable. Those who believe in freedom of speech typically understand that one outcome is that certain people will say bigoted things. But since we all equally have free speech, we have the freedom to criticize and oppose the bad things that other people say. Many Americans, regardless of political leaning, oppose censorship because we understand it's a slippery slope and the expression of government power can be used to censor more than bigoted speech. It could be used to by those in control to curtail the right to criticize authority.

The belief in freedom of association, therefore, obligates us to respect the right to refuse to associate with certain people, even if bigotry is a possible reason for that refusal. A Christian baker shouldn't have the authority to stop a same-sex couple from getting married. But the couple shouldn't have the authority to require a baker to make them a wedding cake for the ceremony. Freedom of association in the world of commerce requires us to accept the right of both sides to determine with whom to do business. The same right that calls for the government to recognize same-sex marriages also permits the baker to refuse to provide a wedding cake.

The slippery slope here is easy to explain by invoking Nazis. (Why is it always Nazis?) Should a baker be required to make a cake with a big swastika on it on behalf of a Nazi customer? If you believe the answer to this question is "no," then understand that giving the government the ability to restrict freedom of association could result in an outcome that forces the baker's hand here, as absurd as it may seem.

Should a Baker Be Able to Refuse to Sell a Wedding Cake to an Interracial Couple?

Many libertarians would say yes (including myself—so much for public office). Yet America's history of very serious discrimination against blacks, much of which was not just permitted but enforced by the government and through legal channels, has influenced the way many people see freedom of association. This outcome is understandable, but whenever we talk about restricting a right (and libertarians generally acknowledge that rights may be restricted when they interfere with the expression of the rights of others), the restriction must be considered within the scope of all potential solutions. Restricting a right is a form of government control over individual liberty. Once we accept allowing the government to restrict freedom, it is very difficult for the public to control how this power may manifest later; thus, our resistance to censorship.

It is very difficult to argue that a wedding cake is a necessity for any human being of any race, religion, or sexual orientation. A person does not need a wedding cake to survive. As humiliating as it may be to be refused a cake for bigoted reasons, there's no physical or economic harm being done to somebody refused a wedding cake.

Nor does the denial of a wedding cake deny the ability of a gay or interracial couple to actually acquire a wedding cake from another source. The existence of marketplace alternatives is another reason why libertarians would be reluctant to restrict the baker's freedom of association. This is far from "redlining," where banks and insurance companies colluded and denied loans and insurance to swaths of minorities in inner city neighborhoods. As unpleasant as these anti-gay discriminatory acts are, they have been shown to be isolated incidents scattered across the country in situations where the victims had the ability to remedy the situation by turning to other businesses.

Just as a libertarian's general support for same-sex couples to define their own partnerships and families isn't an endorsement of homosexuality, a libertarian's general support for the right of a business to refuse to engage in commerce with somebody shouldn't be taken as an endorsement of bigotry. In order to restrict a person's right to freedom of association, the damage caused by the outcomes must be very high. Having to select a different bakery or photographer, many of whom would love to do business with gay couples, does not rise to that threshold.


TOPICS: Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: christians; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; libertarians; lping; samesexmarriage

1 posted on 08/25/2014 9:35:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘Having your cake and eating it too.’
Libertarians squaring the circle.


2 posted on 08/25/2014 9:50:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I understand the reasoning. Where I come from, libertarians give lip service to the Christian business and fight hard to enact homosexual marriage.

This argument is just a bandaid on hypocrisy.


3 posted on 08/25/2014 9:59:39 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

He fails to address the most fundamental issue - it isn’t about rights or freedoms its about arbitrarily redefining words. And it’s not just “marriage “, it’s wife, husband, brother, sister and so on.


4 posted on 08/25/2014 10:27:15 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I haven’t seen the Libertarian party leadership defend businesses punished by the homofacists. The moment they do is the moment I’ll take them seriously.


5 posted on 08/25/2014 10:45:09 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

this is the problem you run into when secular society bases the foundation of laws on nothing.

govt gave benefits to married folks/families because the family unit was incredibly important to society and gvt recognized healthy families make a healthy country. those “benefits” were there to offset some - but usually not all the costs - raising children - future citizens and workers and taxpayers - had on the parents. incentives that were good for the parents and also good for the govt in the long run.


6 posted on 08/25/2014 11:00:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: aquila48
   it's about arbitrarily redefining words

  That's how I see it as well. The original meaning of the word marriage - a special relationship between a man and women - two beings who are so unlike each other that they can almost be considered two different species - but in spite of this something amazing happens... (cue music here) Bogie and Bacall Photo Gallery - and because of this miracle there is a celebration that takes place and it's called a marriage. The man/ woman aspect of marriage is an integral part of the meaning of the word. If the word 'marriage' is redefined to be a domestic partnership between any two (3, 4, 5, ...) people, then the original meaning is gone and there will no longer be any word in the English language that refers to this very special relationship between man and woman that is arguably the basis for the civilized world.

  It bugs me that people who call themselves "libertarian" could fall for something so Orwellian. You'd think they'd be the last people who would fall for the old 2+2=5 gimmick. Clue: It's 4!
7 posted on 08/26/2014 3:15:25 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was a recent article discussing the liberals’ quandary about Islam. Liberalism insists that we be tolerant of Islam. Yet, the more Islam grows in the west, the more of a thread it is against western democracy because it is hostile to liberalism. What is a liberal to do?

And the same with libertarians. They are so open=minded, they believe, in the interest of freedom, that the STalinists should have the freedom to conduct a revolution wherever they wish.

The bottom line: only a strong central government could impose libertarianism on its populace. Should the US Dept of Ed require a libertarian curriculum in the common core, in local public schools?


8 posted on 08/26/2014 6:00:05 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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