Posted on 02/15/2002 6:50:19 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
Zon: If you see a person selling hard drugs would you be harmed, and if so, how would you convince the jury that the defendant harmed you? 295
Texaggie79: My family would be harmed by such as substance being sold in my neighborhood and any jury you can pull from my state would convict em in a hearbeat. 297
Zon: How had you been harmed and how would you convince a jury? 299
My kids, as well as my neighbors not only having to see that, but also having a user live near them is an unnecessary threat.
The suspect doesn't live in your neighborhood but he is selling drugs there. How does you seeing a person selling drugs harm you? How are you threatened or harmed by a person ingesting drugs?
By forced threat. A drug addict living in my neighborhood is a threat to my and my families well being. And I also have a right to raise my kids in a neighborhood where they don't have to see drugs being used or sold.
By forced threat. A drug addict living in my neighborhood is a threat to my and my families well being.
So is an alcoholic then. In that regard, according to your standard when was the last time you took a drunk to court? I mean, after gaining additional information you were certain that the person walking across the street from you was drunk, how were you harmed and why didn't you press charges that you'd been harmed and make your case before an impartial jury?
And I also have a right to raise my kids in a neighborhood where they don't have to see drugs being used or sold.
How does seeing drugs being used or sold harm you?
My community does not share that view, and that's all that matters.
The threat is that of physical harm, be it through a psychotic episode of the user who thinks my house is a nest of hornets and he must burn it, or be it financial though my property value going down due to a drug user living in the neighborhood.
Having drugs be illegal does several things. First, it makes the current users sneek around so I dont have to see it. Second it detracts non-users from starting to use due to the risk, be it financial from the expense, physical from the use, or legal from the arrest.
'Someone' is dreaming up a lot of non-existent boogie-men to justify his drug paranoia.
By forced threat. A drug addict living in my neighborhood is a threat to my and my families well being. 303
So is an alcoholic then. In that regard, according to your standard when was the last time you took a drunk to court? I mean, after gaining additional information you were certain that the person walking across the street from you was drunk, how were you harmed and why didn't you press charges that you'd been harmed and make your case before an impartial jury? 305
My community does not share that view, and that's all that matters.
First off, communities don't have rights and even if they did they would still be trumped by individual rights. Besides, the question is why didn't you take the drunk to court and since when does the community decide whether you have been harmed by a drunk or drug addict walking across the street from you?
The threat is that of physical harm, be it through a psychotic episode of the user who thinks my house is a nest of hornets and he must burn it, or be it financial though my property value going down due to a drug user living in the neighborhood.
The threat is that of physical harm, be it through a psychotic drunk episode of the user drinker who thinks my house is a nest of hornets and he must burn it, or be it financial though my property value going down due to a drug user alcoholic living in the neighborhood.
Having drugs be illegal does several things. First, it makes the current users sneek around so I dont have to see it.
I've asked you three times how you were harmed by seeing a person on drugs. Were you offended? Will you argue that you have a right not to feel sad? How were you harmed?
Personally, it is offending, but for children to see it, it is harming because it sets a bad example. Children look up to all adults, especially law abiding ones, as opposed to those breaking the law.
And I don't see as much of a threat in alcohol, due to the majority of users not getting severly drunk. With hard drugs, the only intention is to get sky high. And the addiction rate is more so than alcohol.
Personally, it is offending,
So anything that offends you should be against the law?
but for children to see it, it is harming because it sets a bad example.
So does smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, swearing, eating fatty foods, public nose picking and the list goes on and on. Should all those be against the law?
Children look up to all adults, especially law abiding ones, as opposed to those breaking the law.
Children learn who to look up to and who not to look up to by their parents teaching them. It doesn't take a village to raise a child no matter how much you want Hillary to be right? According to your standard a child should look better upon the law-abiding alcoholic than the person that exceeds the speed limit.
No, but how do you explain state laws on public attire (i.e. I can't run around naked through the streets)?
According to your standard a child should look better upon the law-abiding alcoholic than the person that exceeds the speed limit.
Actually, public intoxication is illegal in most states. So the only legal activity they would see is a guy buying a beer or hard liquor. I don't see a problem with that.
Having drugs be illegal does several things. First, it makes the current users sneek around so I dont have to see it. 306
I've asked you three times how you were harmed by seeing a person on drugs. 308
Personally, it is offending, 309
So anything that offends you should be against the law?310
No, but
But what? But implies an exception. Here's the exception...
but how do you explain state laws on public attire (i.e. I can't run around naked through the streets)?
Your argument is that because public nudity offends some people and therefore outlawed that other things that offend you should also be against the law?
According to your standard a child should look better upon the law-abiding alcoholic than the person that exceeds the speed limit. 310
Actually, public intoxication is illegal in most states. So the only legal activity they would see is a guy buying a beer or hard liquor. I don't see a problem with that.
You're obfuscating. Nothing new. But I'll take your forthcoming-word on it that you weren't obfuscating. According to you it is better for a child to look up to a law-abiding alcoholic than a person that exceeds the speed limit. According to your non-obfuscating response you wrote, "I don't see a problem with that." My question was about a law-abiding alcoholic which obviously means when he is drunk in public he must be in a state that hasn't outlawed public intoxication. And since we both know you weren't obfuscating it means you answered the question I asked and you did not respond to a question that you may have implied that I asked.
No, I'm saying that some things are TOO obscene for a community, and they make a law against it. As long as the BoR does not forbid them, they can. Some may make stupid laws, but hopefully they will learn from them, as they have over the past couple hundred years.
My question was about a law-abiding alcoholic which obviously means when he is drunk in public he must be in a state that hasn't outlawed public intoxication. And since we both know you weren't obfuscating it means you answered the question I asked and you did not respond to a question that you may have implied that I asked.
How much wood coulda woodchuck chuck..............
Seriously, I support public intoxication laws, so, no, I don't think it is better for a child to look up to an alcoholic than a speeder.
Wrong, in several ways.
It WOULD take a Libertarian to be on your side and call your moral normal stance bigoted! What a bunch of whacked out goofs! With friends like these, who needs enemys. LOL
Seriously, I support public intoxication laws, so, no, I don't think it is better for a child to look up to an alcoholic than a speeder.
In post #309 you wrote. "Children look up to all adults, especially law abiding ones, as opposed to those breaking the law."
There is such a thing as law-abiding alcoholics and because they are law-abiding adults your assertion stands that a child is more likely to look up to the law-abider than the person that exceeds the speed limit.
BTW, you still haven't shown how you've been harmed by seeing a person on drugs and the best you've come up with is that you'd be offended. To which you further said, and I paraphrase, "it sets a bad example for children and as you know it takes a village to raise a child so the government must outlaw the bad example."
I've asked you three times how you were harmed by seeing a person on drugs. 308
Children look up to all adults, especially law abiding ones, as opposed to those breaking the law.
Children learn who to look up to and who not to look up to by their parents teaching them. It doesn't take a village to raise a child.
It seemed like one big run-on thought. Maybe it is the time I read it, but I would love you to restate and ask your question better if you can please?
The fourth amendment refuses government access to a person's home, property or business without a properly signed warrant. 272
Wrong, in several ways.
So you chose to obfuscate off on a tangent rather than acknowledge that the purpose of the fourth amendment is to protect citizens from unwarranted access by government onto their property. Please elaborate on your reasoning so that I can compile this discussion into a article.
Just so that we don't lose sight of the main issue at hand, I'll repost it...
Roscoe: If the Boy Scouts owned an apartment building and rented out units to the general public, they would be required to make the apartments available to applicants without regard to their races. 242
Zon: The fourth amendment refuses government access to a person's home, property or business without a properly signed warrant. Yet the government forces business owners to give access to total strangers via discrimination laws. In effect the government, taxpayers' employees, can't be trusted, yet the same government that can't be trusted proclaims that business owner must trust total strangers. 272
Roscoe, how do you explain the glaring contradiction?
Pretty ignorant assertion. The Fourth Amendment was a clarification of the extent of the powers delegated to the federal government.
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