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Militant Group that kidnapped report may have SC camp
The State ^ | 2/3/02

Posted on 02/03/2002 6:39:58 AM PST by PJeffQ

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To: PJeffQ
If you go to Google and type in Charlotte; then Search Within Results for Hezbollah you get a number of articles about the cigarette selling scheme that resulted in a number of arrests.

Here are just a couple of them:

Hezbollah in North Carolina?

The Hezbollah in America: An Alarming Network

Note: I have only glanced at these articles so I'm not sure what they contain ... but anyone searching through that listing is bound to find some interesting info.

61 posted on 02/03/2002 9:03:04 AM PST by kayak
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To: mickie
Don't bet on them being "peaceful". They may be "peaceful" in their appearance, but there is more - much more - going on behind closed doors that probably warrants further undercover investigation.
62 posted on 02/03/2002 9:04:35 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: yikes
I thought I had read somewhere that there is an active group in Springfield, VA ..... which is suburban DC!!!!!
63 posted on 02/03/2002 9:05:33 AM PST by kayak
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To: Grampa Dave;Travis McGee;Islamic_Violence
The notify function is not picking up the ping to me from you!

Oh well.

I'll put the easy access thingy on here , might be useful for somebody.

To find all articles tagged or indexed using JIHAD IN AMERICA

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64 posted on 02/03/2002 9:05:37 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: cardinal4
That IS what I want, of course. Send them to summer camp in Alaska, then as the weather begins to cool, offer them the right to volunteer to go back to their homelands.
65 posted on 02/03/2002 9:06:45 AM PST by crystalk
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To: PJeffQ; Wallaby
Here's a bit of history.


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Newsday
June 27, 1993, Sunday, CITY EDITION
Correction Appended

NEWS; A STRIKE AT TERROR; Pg. 6

Black Muslim Sect Scrutinized

By Knut Royce
WASHINGTON BUREAU. Jim Mulvaney, George E. Jordan, M. P. McQueen and Timothy M. Phelps contributed to this story

Washington -- A shadowy black American Muslim sect with ties to Pakistan is coming under closer law enforcement scrutiny as investigators probe the World Trade Center bombing and the alleged plot to bomb the United Nations and the Hudson River tunnels, according to law enforcement sources.

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Most of the targets of assaults attributed to Fuqra members have spiritual or cultural connections to India - Pakistan's chief foe - or are Muslim groups or leaders whose teachings stray from orthodoxy.

Local, state and federal law enforcement files, for instance, show that members of the sect are suspected of having assassinated an Indian government official in Tacoma, Wash.; a controversial Muslim leader in Tucson, Ariz.; and Indian doctors in a Kansas City suburb and in Augusta, Ga. In addition, authorities say they have firebombed Hindu and Muslim houses of worship from San Diego to Queens.

A recent internal FBI report asserted that Fuqra's list of enemies includes Israel, Hindus and Indians, the Jewish Defense League, Hare Krishnas, the Nation of Islam, other Muslims and the U.S. government.

"The Fuqra sect definitely illustrates that they advocate purification of their [Muslim] religion by force or violence," said David Bowers, undersheriff of Chaffee County in Colorado, who has gathered intelligence on the sect for several years. Bowers' jurisdiction includes one of the sect's facilities - a 101-acre armed compound that was abandoned last fall when authorities raided the site. The state charged several male members with fraud and murder and bombing conspiracies.

Sheik Jilani was involved in purchasing the Colorado compound, signing the 1985 contract as Mubarik Shaw Shah. Records indicate he also was involved in buying the compound in the Catskills.

Living conditions at the facilities are austere - the Colorado compound, for instance, had no running water, electricity or phones. The 55-acre New York compound, which houses an estimated 300 people, mostly children, is a collection of sparsely furnished house trailers spread along a rutted dirt driveway.

Fuqra - an Arabic word for poverty - is what authorities describe as Fuqra's classically structured terrorist cells.

During an operation, the officials say, members are often kept in the dark about the identity of others in the cell and communicate only through pay phones at pre-determined times.

The cells were initially called "Muhammad Commandos" but are now known as "Soldiers of Allah," according to government sources and Fuqra documents obtained by New York Newsday. Each cell is assigned a "sector," or geographic region. One knowledgeable administration source said that Fuqra currently maintains five cells.

Fuqra "commandos" or "soldiers" are suspects in the 1983 assassination in Canton, Mich., of Dr. Mozaffar Ahmad, leader of the rival Ahmadiyya sect; the 1984 assassination in Tacoma of Lela Nevaskar, a courier for then-Indian President Indira Gandhi; the 1990 murder in Tucson of popular though controversial Imam Rashad Khalifa, who preached that the Koran was written by man, not Allah.

They are suspected of having firebombed Muslim houses of worship from San Diego to Quincy, Mass.; Hindu temples from Seattle to Philadelphia, and even two Buddhist temples in Rockford, Ill.

Though federal agencies trace some firebombings and homicides to Fuqra members as early as 1977, it was not until 1983 that the sect launched what appear to have been well-planned and coordinated attacks on its enemies.

Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at the Rand Corp. in Santa Monica, Calif., said that Fuqra held its first Jihad Holy War council for North America in Toronto in 1983.

An internal Fuqra document, dated that year and seized by Colorado authorities in 1989, details the goals of the "Muhammad Commandos of Sector 5." The memorandum records the first meeting of the Colorado-based cell and chastises its members for meeting in a room "not very sound-proof" and for arriving simultaneously, possibly drawing unwanted attention.

It then directs the novice commandos to train in the use of "explosives, incendiaries, and demolition preparation and booby traps. The course will embrace the handling, preparation, calculation and ignition of all normal types of various types of incendiary bombs."

The participants in that inaugural meeting were identified in the memo. They included James Upshur, Vicente Pierre, Edward McGhee and James D. Williams, who were charged this year by the Colorado attorney general with racketeering. One count accuses Williams of conspiring to bomb a Denver Hindu temple in 1984, as well as plotting to kill Khalifa, who was knifed to death in 1990.

The memo's reference to "Sector 5" suggests there were at least four other sectors, or cells. And other cells appear to have been activated earlier. In July, 1983, for instance, Stephen Paster, a Fuqra member living in a safe-house in Compton, Calif., firebombed a Portland, Ore., hotel owned by the followers of the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. Paster was born and raised Jewish but converted to Islam and became one of the Fuqra organizers in America.

Severely injured when one of the three pipe bombs exploded in his hands, Paster, one of the sect's few white members, jumped bail but was rearrested and convicted in 1985.

Just weeks after the Portland bombing, Fuqra commandos murdered a leader of a competing Muslim sect, the Pakistani-based Ahmadiyya Movement, in a Detroit suburb. They then firebombed its center in Detroit. The two arsonists perished in the flash-fire and the murder weapon was recovered near their bodies.

In the words of the law enforcement report, the attacks were "the result of Fuqra taking exception in the manner [in] which [Ahmadiyya] practiced the Muslim religion."

Some local and state law enforcement agencies acknowledge that their investigations of some of the assassinations were hampered because they were unaware of Fuqra's existence. On occasion, local police departments learned only years later that evidence found in another part of the country linked the Fuqra to crimes in their cities.

That, for instance, was the case in Tacoma, where the Aug. 1, 1984, murder of Lela Nevaskar, a courier for then-Indian President Indira Gandhi, and her sister and brother-in-law, Indira and Pramod Gadre, remains an open case.

Jim O'Hern, a Pierce County detective who investigated the triple homicide, said he initially believed the killers were Sikh militants, since the murders occurred several weeks after the Indian government had raided the Sikhs' holiest shrine, the Golden Temple in Amritsar, India, killing hundreds.

What appeared to have been a Sikh warning of impending revenge had been mailed in July to Indians in Seattle and elsewhere, ordering them to leave the United States by Aug. 1.

"We looked at the Sikhs because of the hate literature," O'Hern said.

Was Fuqra acting for the Sikhs? In its October, 1992, article, the Times of India said that Pakistani military intelligence, which supports the Sikhs, uses Fuqra for terrorist operations in the United States. U.S. government officials say there is credible evidence that Pakistan's military intelligence supports terrorist activity on behalf of Sikhs inside India. But, said one of the officials, "the state of evidence" linking Fuqra to Pakistani intelligence services is "just too murky."

A breakthrough in exposing Fuqra's activities in the United States came in 1989, when Colorado Springs police who were investigating burglaries in rental lockers in the outskirts of town stumbled across an assortment of weapons, explosives and remote control devices - plus a treasure trove of Fuqra documents, including detailed surveillance notes and photographs, target lists and meticulous instructions for carrying out what authorities say were acts of terrorism.

Besides documents relating to the Tacoma murders, they found evidence they say implicates Fuqra in the 1984 bombing of a Hindu temple in Denver and the murder of Sheik Khalifa in Tuscon.

When the Colorado Springs police found notes and photographs indicating the Tucson attack was being planned - including surveillance photographs of the mosque and a three-page handwritten plan of attack - the sheik was contacted. He "did not seem unusually surprised that a group such as this had contemplated killing him," a detective reported.

One week later, Jan. 31, 1990, Khalifa was found stabbed to death.

The handwritten plan included some chilling passages. Because there was a high likelihood of police patrols, it said, the "dispatching [of] the subject(s)" should be "in the quietest method feasible: knife, garrotte . . ."

"He may not be there" at the time anticipated, it said, so "As we wait, everyone who comes must be eliminated until he shows up."

QUOTES: 1) 'The government is trying to create a blueprint to destroy us, to pull another Waco and destroy us,' Husain Abdullah, head of Brooklyn security firm and early organizer of Fuqra in the U.S. 2) 'The Fuqra sect definitely illustrates that they advocate purification of their [Muslim] religion by force or violence.' David Bowers, undersheriff of Chaffee County in Colorado, who has gathered intelligence on the sect for several years*****


Violent Connections -- Some terrorist acts that investigators have linked to the Fuqra sect. 

Aug. 31, 1979. Violence at Hare Krishna temple in San Diego.

Nov. 21, 1979. Violence at Islamic-Iranian temple in Queens.

Sept. 1, 1982. Violence at Islamic Cultural Center in Tempe, Ariz. July, 1983. The Hotel Rajneesh in Portland is bombed. Three pipe bombs are placed in a fourth-floor room of the hotel by Stephen P. Paster of Los Angeles, who is reportedly one of the organizers of Fuqra in America.

Aug. 8, 1983. Dr. Mozaffar Ahmad, a leader of the Muslim sect Ahmadiyya Movement, is shot to death in Canton, Mich., a Detroit suburb. Police identified William Cain of Akron, Ohio, as the killer. Cain and another Fuqra member, Calvin Jones, die shortly thereafter while setting a fire at the Ahmadiyya Center on Detroit's west side.

June 16, 1984. The Hare Krishna temple in Philadelphia is firebombed. June 17, 1984. The Vedanta Society temple in Seattle is bombed. Also bombed was the Integral Yoga Society.

June-July, 1984. A defective bomb was found at the Kansas City, Mo., Vedanta Society temple. No arrests have been made.

Aug 1, 1984. John Liczwinko of Seattle, affiliated with the Seattle Vedanta Society, is attacked.

Aug. 1, 1984. The Hare Krishna temple in Denver is firebombed. Documents obtained in a 1989 raid indicate that the bombing was "apparently perpetrated" by a Fuqra cell then living in Englewood, Colo. Aug. 1, 1984. A Hindu physician, Srinivasu Dasari, of Overland Park, Kan., is kidnaped. Victim remains missing, presumably dead.

Aug. 1, 1984. Three East Indians are shot to death in a suburb of Tacoma, Wash. No suspects arrested.

Feb. 1, 1985. Fire breaks out at a Leetsdale, Colo., power station. June 22, 1985. Islamic mosque in Houston is attacked.

July 5, 1985. The Vat Thothikalam Lao in Rockford, Ill., is attacked. Dec. 1, 1985. Laotian temple in Rockford, Ill., is attacked.

May 28, 1986. Randell Gorby of Bethany, W.Va., who was linked to the Hare Krishna temple in Philadelphia, is attacked and injured.

Sept. 17, 1988. A doctor was shot to death in front of Humana Hospital in Augusta, Ga.

Jan. 31, 1990. Rashad Khalifa, controversial Muslim leader in Tucson, Ariz., is stabbed to death.

March 30, 1990. The Islamic center in Quincy, Mass., is attacked.

Jan. 11, 1991. The Islamic Cultural Center in San Diego is attacked. SOURCE: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

QUOTE: "The Fuqra sect definitely illustrates that they advocate purification of their (Muslin) religion by force or violence." - David Bowers, undersheriff of Chaffee County in Colorado, who has gathered intelligence on the sect for several years. 2) "The government is trying to create a blueprint to destroy us, to pull another Waco and destroy us,' - Husain Abdullah, head of Brooklyn security firm and early organizer of Fuqra in the U.S

CORRECTION-DATE: June 28, 1993
A Newsday caption yesterday incorrectly identified four men as founders of Fuqra, a black American Muslim sect with ties to Pakistan and alleged ties to a series of bombings and assassinations. The men are members of the sect.

GRAPHIC: Photos- 1) Founders of Fuqra, from left: Vicente Pierre, 2) Edward McGhee, 3) James Williams and 4) James Upshur. (7 NS). 5) Photo by The Patriot Ledger / John Bohn- This Islamic center in Quincy, Mass., was firebombed in 1990, allegedly by Fuqra. Chart- Violent Connections. Some terrorist acts that investigators have linked to the Fuqra sect. SOURCE: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.


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Federal News Service
FEBRUARY 24, 1998
IN THE NEWS


PREPARED STATEMENT OF STEVEN EMERSON
BEFORE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON TERRORISM, TECHNOLOGY
AND GOVERNMENT INFORMATION

SUBJECT - FOREIGN TERRORISTS IN AMERICA:
FIVE YEARS AFTER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING


Introduction:
The subject of today's hearing, the foreign terrorist threat in the United States, is one of the most important issues we face as a society today. With the advent of chemical and biological weapons, we now face distinct possibilities of mass civilian murder the likes of which have not been seen World War II. The specter of terrorism carries with it the threat of violence aimed at targets merely because of their religious, ethnic or national identities. The threat of terrorism, particularly in the age of instant telecommunications, also carries a major psychological dimension-through an electronic multiplier effect that has the ability to inject fear and fright into the hearts and minds of tens of millions of Americans.

At the outset it important to note several points about these hearings:

One. Foreign terrorists and extremists are no different than home grown terrorists and extremists. Terrorism is terrorism-no matter who carries it out. The threat from domestic terrorists who see the United States government from a paranoid lens is no less problematic than foreign terrorists view us in the same manner. As evidenced by the Oklahoma City bombing, bombings of abortion clinics, and other acts of terrorism, the ultra right wing militia, the Christian Identity Movement, Arian Nations, and neo-Nazis are intent on inflicting murder and mayhem against innocent civilians.

Two. The absence of bombs going off more regularly should not lull us into a false sense of security. The presence of foreign terrorist groups means that they have the capabilities of launching attacks here and the ability, which they exploit to their maximum advantage, of using the United States as a springboard to launch attacks against our allies and friends. It is a matter of vital national interest to hold hearings on the presence of foreign terrorist groups on American soil. There are various groups in the United States tied to international and foreign acts of terrorism. This includes the offshoot of the militant Jewish Defense League known as Kahane Chai, the Irish Republican Army and militant Sikhs, among others.

Three. Terrorism does not develop in a vacuum. It requires intellectual, financial, and often religious sustenance and nurturing. The bombing of the World Trade Center for example, and the Oklahoma City bombing, sprang from a much larger communal constellation of like minded believers and supporters. The physical act of terrorism may appear to come out of the blue but in fact is almost always predicated in larger movements that justify such acts of terrorism as legitimate.

And yet, by virtue of the great freedoms enshrined in our laws and constitution, most activities of extremist groups, including known terrorist fronts in the United States, are legal and protected. While some activities were made illegal in the 1996 Anti-Terrorism Act, the vast majority of activities carded out by extremist groups remain protected because they fall quite appropriately--in the category of free speech. Yet, such legal protections do not extend to protection from journalist inquiries or other public scrutiny. In fact, it is the prospect of this scrutiny that has assisted in the past in eradicating domestic extremist movements and unmasking those extremists under false facades. As Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis once said, "Sunshine is the law's best disinfectant." Thus, the public has a right to know and expect that an educational curriculum is not being secretlymanipulated by foreign radicals, that journalists are not serving as witting or unwitting pawns of extremists, and that public and elected officials are not legitimizing militant groups.

Four. In any discussion of the threat of radical Islamic fundamentalism, it is imperative to point out that militant Islamic extremism is not synonymous with mainstream Islam. Those who engage in extremism today are simply practicing their totalitarian interpretation of a religion. The vast majority of Muslims do not support in any way the politics of the extremists. Nevertheless, to deny the existence of radical Islam--as some groups have aggressively assert ... or to pretend it does not exist is tantamount to defending the militants as one and the same with peace-seeking moderates. Rather than protecting the moderates from being tarred with the extremist brush, it only paints them further. For the militants, of course, the deliberate blurring of the distinction between militant and moderate Islam is designed to hide under the protection of mainstream Islam. Extremists in Islam are no different than other religious extremists-- whether it be a Jewish terrorist who shot the Israeli Prime Minister because he believed he was commanded to do so by God, or the anti- abortionist assassin who believes he has the right to kill anyone in the name of God or a Christian militant in Northern Ireland who kills innocent civilians. A religious extremist differs only in the religion he invokes to commit a crime.

Five. The attacks on today's hearing and on me by various Islamic and Arab advocacy groups illustrates the growing danger of allowing militant groups to masquerade uncritically under the banner of self- anointed "civil rights" and "human rights" status. These groups are no more deserving of civil rights status than the Ku Klux Klan's patently transparent efforts to masquerade under civil rights monikers advocating "human rights" for whites. In particular, the Council on American Islamic Relations and American Muslim Council, as well as others, have sent out emails and internet alerts "warning" their supporters about these hearings this morning. In effect, the message disseminated by these groups was that merely discussing the presence of Islamic radicals on American soil is to be construed as an attack on Islam. The same type of message was issued by Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, spiritual ringleader of the World Trade Center bombing-related conspiracy, when he claimed that his conviction was "an attack on Islam." This type of contrived delusion is but a transparent effort to prevent a free discussion of the threat of militant Islamic fundamentalism in the United States. On Sunday night, an even more incendiary email alert was distributed by the "Free Arab Voice" when it labeled this hearing an "attack on Islam."

(snip)

What ever coordination does exist is the result of ad-hoc collaboration. Interestingly, in the Islamic fundamentalist diaspora, there appears to be more operational collaboration between different militant groups than there is in the Middle East. Hence the unprecedented collaboration of five different groups who coalesced in the World Trade Center bombing conspiracy and related terrorist plots: Gamat Islamiya (Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman of Egypt); Sudan's National Islamic Front (members of the Sudanese Mission in New York and five Sudanese arrested for the second series of bomb plots in Manhattan); Hamas (Mohammed Saleh, owner of a Yonkers gas station who was to supply the fuel for the second bombing WTC-connected plot and who was also a pivotal Hamas figure in arranging for Hamas military training in the Sudan and for acquiring military equipment for Hamas forces in Jordan); Islamic Jihad (Islamic Jihad head Abdul Azziz Odeh was an unindicted co-conspirator but is believed by law enforcementofficials to have known about the bomb plots); and A1-Fuqra (a militant black- Pakistani organization with adherents in Colorado, New York, Canada and Pakistan).

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The very fact that the top terrorist leaders of both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad radical groups were found to have been living in the United States should disabuse anyone of the notion that militant Islamic organizations are not using the United States for safe haven. FBI director Louis Freeh testified for the first time on the record that Hamas raises "substantial cash funds from the United States to areas in the Mid-East where we could show Hamas receipt and even expenditure of those funds."57 Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad have not only raised considerable amounts of funds in the United States but have also set up operational headquarters in the U.S. where terrorist attacks and military strategies have been orchestrated. In turn, both Islamic Jihad and Hamas have succeeded, in large part, in establishing their support infrastructure because both groups have networked together with other militant Islamic groups.

The culmination of this pan-Islamic militant partnership may have been seen in the World Trade Center bombing: Rather than being an attack dominated by the militant Islamic Jama from Egypt, evidence now shows that the bombing was the product of collaboration from five different radical Islamic organizations, including the Gama Islamiya, Islamic Jihad, al-Fuqra, Sudanese National Islamic Front and Hamas. The scope and breadth of these militant Islamic groups should demonstrate unambiguously that while not coordinated formally on an operational level, the militant Islamic groups network with one another in a sort of terrorist "Internet". At virtually every place on the globe today-- Paris, Rome, Dallas, New York or Manila, Peshawar, Gaza, Beirut and Khartoum--militant Islamic groups can network with one another in receiving or providing assistance, obtaining safe haven, and generating mutual support for all of their activities.

The absence of a traditional hierarchy within these terrorist groups has now created a new terrorist paradigm. In 1995 (April 6) testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, thenacting director Admiral William Studdman stated that the "(Islamic) groups are even more dangerous in some ways than the traditional groups because they do not have a wellestablished organizational identity and they tend to decentralize and compartment their activities. They are also capable of producing more sophisticated conventional weapons as well as chemical and biological agents. They are less restrained by state sponsors or other benefactors that are the traditional groups. These new groups appear to be disinclined to negotiate, but instead seek to take revenge on the United States and Western countries by inflicting heavy civilian casualties. The World Trade Center bombers are prime examples of this new breed of radical, transnational, Islamic terrorist.


66 posted on 02/03/2002 9:09:06 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: mickie
If they are peaceful, they are not Islamic. If they are Islamic, they are not peaceful.

Many Many Islamic outfits exist in the USA mainly to get money to fund international terrorism. It is coming out of our own pockets, I tell you, and will until we deport all of the Muslims.

67 posted on 02/03/2002 9:09:48 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Catspaw;mickie;aomagrat;PJeffQ;GrampaDave;TravisMcGee
Someone had a nice map on a thread yesterday showing many locations of activity in the United States.

We ought to have it up here.

68 posted on 02/03/2002 9:10:41 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: crystalk;Catspaw;mickie;aomagrat;PJeffQ;GrampaDave;TravisMcGee
Here it is:


69 posted on 02/03/2002 9:13:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Shooter 2.5
Interesting link. The picture tells a lot:


70 posted on 02/03/2002 9:13:44 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
From their "farewell message":

There is no such thing as a 'moderate' or 'liberal' Muslim. If there was, in what category would be place the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS)? Would we say he is a moderate, a liberal, an extremist, a fanatic, a terrorist, a fundamentalist? He certainly would not be a moderate or liberal since he ordered 600-700 Jewish males to be beheaded in Madinah after the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayzah betrayed the Muslims and stabbed them in the back. He also fought in 27 battles for the sake of Allah. Are we now going to call him a terrorist as well?

Um, the short answer to that droning question is, "yes, of course."

71 posted on 02/03/2002 9:16:40 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: aomagrat
Haven't they heard of the NAACP Boycott?

LOL! Wait till Darrell Jackson and Senator Ford hear of this. They'll be boycotting the Muslims too!

(still laughing)

72 posted on 02/03/2002 9:18:19 AM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Don Joe
Muhammad was a terrorist and the father of terrorism throughout all the world for the past 1390 years.

And his father is the devil, read John 8:44.

73 posted on 02/03/2002 9:19:24 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You left off Dearborn Mich. Also you left off Ann Arbor Mich and that awful magazine the terrorists are still being allowed to publish there.
74 posted on 02/03/2002 9:21:54 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Travis McGee
Amazing, huh?
75 posted on 02/03/2002 9:34:43 AM PST by onyx
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Hey now !!

< SARCASM > That's the kind of research that will take 30 agents , the creation of multiple task forces , liaison's, contacts etc etc and millions of dollars and manhours to discover ! Who are you to upset the balances of futilism via expendeture of taxpayers dollars..........??? :o)

And besides these agents won't even get near these islamic (that means peace :o) training sites until they harrass such evil patriot militia training sites as Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, LFI etc etc ......first !< / SARCASM >

Stay Safe "H" !

76 posted on 02/03/2002 9:37:25 AM PST by Squantos
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To: PJeffQ
What part of South Carolina? It could be true while the NAACP keeps the state buzzing,they may just be doing that to allow this group to do its thing.There are many and I mean many militant blacks relocated from up north down in SC now.
77 posted on 02/03/2002 9:45:56 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: crystalk
Its unbelievable.We know there are thousands of illegal muslims/arabs in this country.We let them stay here with no repercussions,but search little old ladies at the airport,delaying flights,but let obvious profiles waltz right on board.Instead of Alaska,how about Jan Mayen Land?
78 posted on 02/03/2002 9:54:35 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: lafroste
I'm not quite sure how to respond to that post! I have no doubt that my fellow South Carolinians are appalled that there is even the mention of such a camp here, but unless it's in the swamp, I think we would have heard of any activity by now.

Yes, we may be primarily an agricultural state, but I will say with all certainity that this matter would be handled according to the law.

79 posted on 02/03/2002 9:58:30 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: hoosierham
"For at least 8 years the gov't has been hounding and harrassing white male CITIZENS who have the temerity to own guns and believe in the Constitution..."

I think that you will find it is ALL citizens, white, black, brown, red or yellow, male or female, that have this problem. This isn't a racist problem, the second amendment concerns all people.

80 posted on 02/03/2002 10:03:53 AM PST by dixie sass
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