Virginia Election Night Thread

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[AlGone2001]

I apologize for missing your post to me. I was carrying on a lot of coverstaions, so I overlooked you. By now, you know as much as I do about the outcome.

God bless, and good night.

[AlGone2001]

Virginia is a Conservative State and I'm proud of the GOPers for taking control of both Houses...

Man, you have a lot of courage. Did the conservatives stay home tonight, or what? It was sickening!

[hchutch]

It's called Mark Warner pulled off a lot of double-talk, and the RINOs screwed us over with that budget fight.

[Theodore R.]

Ironically, there is a TX Republican who will spend his own fortune next year to run for lieutenant governor, a job that pays $7,200 annually. He is Land Commissioner David Dewhurst, a self-made Houston businessman. He will be up against a strong Democrat in former Comptroller John Sharp of Victoria in SE TX. Dewhurst considered switching to the U.S. Senate race after Phil Gramm bowed out but instead deferred to Attorney General John Cornyn, thus far unopposed for the GOP Senate nomination in March 2002.

[Mudboy Slim]

"Say what you will, Virginia needs to keep John Warner in the Senate if the GOP is to have any hope of regaining Senate control."

We will have to agree to disagree on that point for now, my FRiend, John Warner's a Cancer for the VA GOP and the tumor must be cut out!!

"And, for whoever it was that suggested Jim Gilmore run for Warner's seat...Jim Gilmore couldn't run and win."

You may be right after the political HackJob John Warner's Big Guv'ment VA Senate RINO buddies did on the Governor with the Budget Mess...but if it came down to Gilmore vs. J. Warner in a Primary, it'd be No Contest as to who I'd support.

"When the dust settles, the blame for tonight's loss will (rightly or wrongly) be placed at Gilmore's feet."

Wrongly...and you know it full well, mi amigo!! VaBch Happy Gilmore's made some mistakes but that Budget Mess was not one of them...the Virginia State Budget has risen almost 50% in the last four years, so any argument that we just couldn't afford to cut some fat instead of Abandon the State Party Leader's Signature Issue are blatantly specious. Sure the Leftist Medyuh will try to paint it as Gilmore's fault, but the Grass Roots must be educated as to the Truth!!

FReegards...MUD

[Theodore R.]

HCHutch, the elitist John Warner would rather lose his Senate seat than apologize to Oliver North for ANYTHING. He considers himself a superior being to the "peon" North. Having John Warner in the Senate is no "plum" in Virginia's feather. Why don't the Virginians find new George Washingtons, James Madisons, and James Monroes. Your current crop of officeholders leaves much to be desired.

[Ward Smythe]

Your current crop of officeholders leaves much to be desired. Much to the contrary. With George Allen, Randy Forbes, Frank Wolf and others (even "Independent" Virgil Goode) and now Jerry Kilgore we've got a heck of a team here in Virginia.

Yeah, we've got some duds, but who doesn't.

[Theodore R.]

Toe-sucking Dick Morris has an interesting take on the election of Democrat Mark Warner as governor of VA. Morris notes that for the last seven gubernatorial races, VA has elected the candidate of the party opposite that of the White House every time -- since 1977. Morris said Virginians like divided government and backed Warner to balance off G.W. Bush. So if algore had been elected last year, we could have presumed that Earley would have won today in VA!!! Also VA is not as Republican as people say it is. After all LBJ and his son-in-law won it handily for years. Virginians are just like other Americans -- looking for the candidate to "take care" of them, as the pony-tailed man said at the Richmond debates in 1992.

[Twodees]

[The voters of Virginia let us down]

No blame for who really let us all down? Face it. My county had a 51% turnout. People couldn't hold their noses tight enough to vote for the NAACP liberal that the VAGOP wanted. Blame the people who work their butts off out here and have to sacrifice to get their kids out of the public schools if you want to. Those of us who don't kiss GOP butt know who's really to blame.

You need to wake up, boy.

[Mudboy Slim]

"courage."

How's that? No courage required to state the obvious.

"Did the conservatives stay home tonight, or what? It was sickening!"

Obviously, many of them did. I can't understand this attitude of Losing as a Path to Winning, but Earley ran an extremely feeble campaign that inspired just about no one, and many folks just figgered it was TweedleDee vs. TweedleDum (to quote a FReeper I reamed a new one fer saying prior to Election Day.) Real Conservatives who run proudly-Conservative Campaigns win VA State-wide elections...period!! George Allen is a great example of that. Earley may have been Right on many of the issues, but he almost seemed apologetic about it...he inspired no passion whatsoever!! The only passion generated on the Right, IMHO, was that derived from how absolutely AWFUL Warner was, is, and forever SHALL BE!!

Reckon the VA Sheeple will get a four-year reminder of how "sickening" a DemonRAT in the Guvnah's mansion really is and the GOP will become stronger...after we rid ourselves of some of the dead wood that's been holding us back!!

FReegards...MUD

[chimera]

Earley didn't get blown away, like all the liberals were saying he would.

Doesn't matter in the least. The 'Rat still won. He's in there for the next 4 years and would be even if he won by a single vote. Playing for a close loss or a moral victory doesn't get you far in politics. This 'Rat now has his full term to build himself and the 'Rats up for his successor and fight to take back the legislature. Has the GOP seen its high-water mark in the Old Dominion? Please, VA FReepers, say its not so...!

[Mudboy Slim]

"With George Allen, Randy Forbes, Frank Wolf and others (even "Independent" Virgil Goode) and now Jerry Kilgore we've got a heck of a team here in Virginia."

I agree...there is much reason fer hope and optimism.

FReegards...MUD

[Theodore R.]

Bulldog, by this time in 2003, there is a good chance the Democrats will hold all governorships from CA to VA -- CA, AZ, NM, TX, LA, MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, and VA. There may be no where to move to. The Democrats already have CA, MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, and now VA. The are expected to take LA by default in 2003. NM leans Democrat in 2002 with liberal Bill Richardson. That leaves TX and AZ as potential GOP holdouts. But Governor Perry may be vulnerable to one of these self-financed candidates in TX next year, and AZ has an open election with liberal Republican Jane Hull out. AZ may go Democrat with the AZ GOP so divided between the conservatives and the McCainiacs. Maybe you can try WY or ID, but heck, they may be Democrat in a few more years too. Americans like Democrats to "protect them" from their insecurities.

[Theodore R.]

Those are all fine people, but your two Warners overwhelm them.

[Ward Smythe]

Doesn't matter in the least. The 'Rat still won. He's in there for the next 4 years and would be even if he won by a single vote. Playing for a close loss or a moral victory doesn't get you far in politics. This 'Rat now has his full term to build himself and the 'Rats up for his successor and fight to take back the legislature. Has the GOP seen its high-water mark in the Old Dominion? Please, VA FReepers, say its not so...!

But the margin does matter. And, we've won the Attorney General race by a landslide and may yet squeak out the Lt. Governor.

Redistricting will pretty much ensure that the GOP holds the House and the Senate. We may see some losses in 2003, but I seriously doubt a turnover.

And, here's the key to all of this. Governor Warner (barf, yuk, puke, barf again) faces the fight of his life when he thinks he can tame the Virginia General Assembly. In Virginia some of us are Republican, some of us are Democrat, some of us are third party, but we are all stubborn and independent. I laughed when Warner said in a debate that "we'll always have a budget when I'm Governor" -well, the ONLY way he'll do that is to give up everything he wants.

That much will be fun to watch.

[Ward Smythe]

Those are all fine people, but your two Warners overwhelm them.

I'd take another one if it would shut you up.

[Theodore R.]

I had not heard about Monroe's good looks, but no women voted in 1816 or 1820. There were probably few pictures of the candidate in circulation. And the vote was very indirect, back then one backed electors who did not always make it plain for whom they stood. When I saw the C-SPAN series on the American presidents, I was overwhelmed by the greatness of James Monroe. He was such a towering figure compared to the clintongore "leadership" in power at the time I saw the broadcast. I still think JFK was the first candidate for whom women voted based on looks; perhaps some might have chosen Harding for the same reason, but that would have been the year that all women were first eligible to vote for president. No one chose Eisenhower over Stevenson, for instance, based on Ike's looks though he was certainly a handsome man in his early years. I doubt any voted for FDR based on looks, but he may have gotten some Republican support based on his personality.

[Mudboy Slim]

"This 'Rat now has his full term to build himself and the 'Rats up..."

Don't count on it, my FRiend. Warner's a dirty candidate who made his fortune by hook and crook...the Leftist Medyuh never delved into it, and Earley was too weak-kneed to make it an issue, but Warner's from the Klinton/McAuliffe wing of the DemonRAT Party wherein Bribery and Treason are but Part of the Game. A little investigative journalism will go a long way in exposing exactly how dirty Mark Warner actually is and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he ends up being forced from office prior to the completion of his Term.

"...for his successor and fight to take back the legislature."

LOL...ain't gonna happen.

"Has the GOP seen its high-water mark in the Old Dominion? Please, VA FReepers, say its not so...!"

It ain't so...we got saddled with a pretty lame candidate this year and, for some unknown reason, G-Dubyuh selfishly chose to hang us out to dry, but the VA GOP's been counting on some RINOs who could never be trusted and it's gonna take something like this loss to wake folks up to the need to purge ourselves of the RINOs. Whatever don't kill ya only makes you stronger and the VA GOP's best years are ahead of it, IMHO.

FReegards...MUD

[Theodore R.]

I did not understand your last tirade against me. Have you thought about what Morris said -- since 1977, the VA governorship has ALWAYS gone to the party opposite of that in the White House? Maybe it was foreordained; there was nothing Earley could do to reverse his fortunes. He just did not appeal to voters in the way necessary to win.

[Quicksilver]

Does VA have a recount law? Katzen is .44% behind with 91% reporting.