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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Barbary War - Feb. 28th, 2003
http://earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm ^ | Thomas Jewett

Posted on 02/28/2003 5:35:48 AM PST by SAMWolf

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This is a great thread, SAMWolf.

I didn't know all these details about the Barbary Pirates!

"I've picked up a lot of parallels," says Capt. Glenn Voelz, a history instructor at West Point. "Maybe we are still fighting the same war."

The parallels are indeed eerie!

81 posted on 03/01/2003 3:35:09 AM PST by tictoc (sic transit gloria Europae)
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For his exploits LT Presley O'Bannon was awarded the Mamaluke Sword by the Pasha of Tripoli. This sword is worn by Marrine Officer's today as a tribute to LT O'Bannon's courage.

Semper Fidelis to all Marines past, present and future.

Warrior Nurse former Capt of Marines.
82 posted on 03/01/2003 3:39:19 AM PST by Warrior Nurse (Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it..)
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America's involvement in the Tripolitan War suppressed pirate terrorism in the Mediterranean only after resolute action. It also saw the development of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps with their proud traditions, and for the first time America made its presence known, not as a "fat duck" but as an eagle in the world of the old empires

oorah bump

83 posted on 03/01/2003 7:29:03 AM PST by USMC_tangocharlie (Victory belongs to the man who wants it the most, and believes in it the longest.)
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This is a great post. Thank you for it. Makes me so proud to be an American! Makes me so thankful to be protected by our military!
84 posted on 03/01/2003 10:19:56 AM PST by WaterDragon (Playing possum doesn't work against nukes.)
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Didn't Teddy Roosevelt wage war on the Barbery Pirates, too?
85 posted on 03/01/2003 11:28:28 AM PST by WaterDragon (Playing possum doesn't work against nukes.)
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I believe he sent a rescue mission to free an American woman who was being held hostage. My memory is vague on the details.
86 posted on 03/01/2003 7:25:16 PM PST by SAMWolf (We do not bargain with terrorists, we stalk them, corner them , take aim and kill them)
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I thought it was concerning the ships he sent against them that he said "Walk softly but carry a big stick." If it was TR who said that.
87 posted on 03/01/2003 7:33:29 PM PST by WaterDragon (Playing possum doesn't work against nukes.)
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In May 1904, Ion Perdicaris, a wealthy American expatriate living in Tangier, was abducted from his sumptuous villa by (At http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues98/jul98/tangier.html) Ahmed er Raisuli, "the last of the Barbary pirates." His kidnapping, writes Jonathan Broder, "set in motion an extraordinary international drama that would pit the might of the U.S. Navy against the wily Riffian bandit, secure Theodore Roosevelt's nomination for the Presidency and ultimately help him retain the White House." But above all, says Broder, "the Perdicaris affair would serve as a reminder of Tangier's power to taunt and tantalize the American imagination." The kidnapped businessman was changed to a woman in a movie made about this.
88 posted on 03/01/2003 7:42:19 PM PST by WaterDragon (Playing possum doesn't work against nukes.)
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It occurs to me that Europe and American Democrats are repeating the attitude of those in Europe who advocated paying tribute to the Muslim pirates (And America went along with that for too long then too). And President Bush is like the American president who said NO!

America is who has to lead once again. And is. President Bush is saying NO kowtowing to the Muslims. This time the stakes are much higher because the Muslim terrorizers are using our modern technology against us and that technology is more lethal.
89 posted on 03/03/2003 10:21:12 AM PST by WaterDragon (Playing possum doesn't work against nukes.)
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Thanks, I seem to remember reading about the change to a woman for the movie. Wasn't Sean Connery in it?
90 posted on 03/03/2003 10:24:12 AM PST by SAMWolf (We do not bargain with terrorists, we stalk them, corner them , take aim and kill them)
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If you want to watch something which will turn your stomach, tune into the History Channel's "Battle of Tripoli" which appeared tonight.

I KNOW they will retelecast it.


In case you are not familiar with the storyline - a REAL American hero by the name of William Eaton travels to Egypt, with the approval of the Jefferson Administration.

His goal: to raise a force of mercenaries to unseat the ruler of Tripoli, one Yousouf Karamali who had dethroned his brother Hamid and seized the throne. He also had a handfull of U.S. Marines and some Christian European mercenaries with him.

Yusouf, like other Barbary rulers, made a living extorting protection money from Christian shipping in the Mediterranean. Like other Barbary States, he probably also augemented his illgotten gains by slave-raiding Christian countries in Southern and Western Europe, and petty acts of piracy.

The reason Eaton wanted to dethrone Yusouf, was to free several hundred American mariners who had been held for a very long time as prisoners in Tripoli where they were regularly beaten, abused, forced to work as slave labor, kept under inhuman conditions, and humiliated by the sons of Mohammed. Bargainning for their release by the Jefferson Administration had accomplished little.

After an epic journey with many personal hazards, Eaton was well on the road to accomplishing his goals.

But he was blind-sided by a viperous piece of offal named Tobias Lear, a creature of the State Department and a progenitor of many successors of a like mind. We can think of a current one immediately.

Lear had been manoevering behind the scenes all along to undermine Eaton, effectuate a ransome, and release the Americans that way.

After stunning victories, and just before Eaton and his group could make their move, Lear negotiatied a ransome of $60,000 for the release of the prisoners. Needed aid from the U.S. government never materialized and Commodore Baron, a man with a poor record as a commander, recalled Eaton and he and Hamid, a few of his followers and the remnant of the Americans were evacuated by ship.

Hamid was abandoned by the U.S. The balance of those who had supported him in Tripoli were left to the none too tender mercies of Yousuf. Eaton had the ground cut off around him and was totally embittered by the failure to support him, the abandonment of Hamid, and the use of money to buy back free Americans who should have been and most certainly WOULD have been freed by the sword.

Needless to say, Tripoli went onto commit new outrages, encouraged by Lear and Jefferson's cowardly behavior, and only another naval expedition to the area and committment of many more troops and ships under a more able commander than Baron was able to finally bring the Barbary Pirates to heal.

Parts of what I am telling you were omitted or glossed over in the History Channel acount.

But the REAL BARF alert involves two Professors of New England University and one Caucasian American profssor from where I can't recall. The two from the University of New England were one Dr. Ali Abdullatif Ahmid and one Dr. Anour Majid.

These pieces of human offal proceeded to present a politically correct account of things from the Barbery perspective. All three of them were critical of heroic Eaton as a "selfish adventurer", defended the actions of the Barbary States as necessary for their survival as a revenue source, defended them as legitimate nations, pointed out the Barbary Pirates were not "terrorists", criticized Eaton for raising an American Flag over a fort they seized, equated his efforts with "western colonization" and blamed this unfortunate incident as one cause for our "mistaken" concept of Islam.

Only one guy, a military man named Wheeler, seemed to actually speak out in support of Eaton.

I have read several of the books they mention in the presentation.

The Barbary States were predator sheikdoms who survived totally by slaving and raiding and extortion. Entire Christian villages from southern Italy to Ireland and England were totally wiped out by their slaving operations. They sent their corsairs out into the Atlantic and throughout the Mediterranean.

There was very little difference in their methods, given the times, between the lunatics threatening us now, and them.

I shudder to think of the impact these "professors" will have with their cultural equivalency concepts on the minds of young students at the University of New England.
I was in college during the Viet Nam era and I well know how vicious, biased, and unpatriotic leftist profesors can be.

I'm super steamed. I'm steamed at the History Channel, at the University of New England, and at these three pieces of human offal who are brainwashing American Students who will only hear one side of this story.


91 posted on 09/19/2004 8:04:23 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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