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The FReeper Foxhole Profiles Lt Frank Luke Jr. Part 1 Oct. 20, 2005
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Posted on 10/19/2005 7:59:19 PM PDT by alfa6


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Lt Frank Luke Jr. Ballon Buster Part 1

Frank Luke was born in Phoenix, Arizona Territory, on May 19th, 1897.

Phoenix was then a small town then with a population of 1,500 in 1890. (Imagine!)

Frank Luke was said to be “cute but terrifying” as a child. Standard parental discipline had only temporary effect.

There are stories of him running off on his own as a small boy and returning after dark with two baby "sheeps" under his arms ("Man said if I could carry 'em I could have 'em."). Frank Sr. proclaimed "any youngster of mine who shows that much interest in dumb animals doesn't get punished for it, and that's that." In another family tale young Frank and his younger sister Otilla tried to collect 100 tarantulas in empty tin cans. The actual number collected is lost. ;-)

In high school Frank ran track and played football and baseball. Frank liked football best. At 5 feet 9 inches and 155 pounds he played fearlessly. He once played the entire second half of a game with a broken collarbone.

The game was rough in those days. The same eleven guys played both offense and defense, there were no shoulder pads (designed to prevent broken collarbones as a matter of fact), and probably no forward passing. The earliest mention of a legal forward pass that I can find is from 1906.

Luke boxed bare-knuckled against the hardest men in the area for $20 to the winner. They say he almost always won. An extremely competitive man, “he simply could not be stopped”.

Young Luke wanted to fly. When the United States entered the Great War Luke became an Army Pursuit pilot, a “fighter pilot” as we would say today. It seems to me that that trade at that time and in that war suited his personality.

He had to lie about his “college education” to go to flight school and become an officer. Oh, the shame, the horror! It seems that no records were required for that sort of thing in those days. People must have been given responsibility as they could handle it. How different it is today!

Luke went to France with something like ten flying hours and put right in a fighter.

Here is a letter to a friend back home Luke sent from France dated April 20, 1918:

Dear Pal:

Received, two days ago, your letter of March 5 and was very glad to hear from you. Pidge and Perry, from what I hear, failed to get in. It seems that at the time they reached Los Angeles the War Department sent orders not to enlist any more for the aviation branch. I would have liked to have seen Pinney get in. He sure would have had to study, no bluff.

I just passed a double-seater motorcycle. One of the fellows was carrying a pilot who had run into a tree and smashed his head. Gee, it was a tough sight! His eyes were bulged out and his head was one mass of blood. He died a short while after reaching the hospital.The trouble was a bad fog came up just after he left the ground. He tried to land before it reached him but was too late, lost his way, and hit the tree.

Oh, boy, it's great to be up flying, practicing stunts, and looking down on the earth spread out beneath you. But there are always the new graves, in some of them fellows you knew; there because of a faulty machine or bad judgment. Well, boy, it may be me next, but don't tell anyone what I have told you. I would hate to have my mother hear of it, because I tell her it is the safest branch of the service.My address is on the envelope.

Your pal,


A French Nieuport Fighter,in Charles Guynemer's markings IIRC, similar to what many pilot schools used in France for advance training.

This is from Frank’s diary while in France:

During this training period Frank became friends with Joe Wehner. Both were exceptional athletes and skilled pilots, though Wehner was from Boston and had attended Phillips Exeter, a famous prep school of the day, and had traveled in Europe before the War while Luke was from the sticks.

On July 20th, 1918 Frank and Joe were assigned to the 27th Aero Squadron, 1st Pursuit Group.

The 27th “Eagle” Squadron was right on the sharp end. (The 94th “Hat in the Ring” Squadron, Rickenbacker’s outfit, was also in the 1st Pursuit Group. Rickenbacker knew Luke, and said of him that “He is the only man I know of without fear.” Rickenbacker is saying, I believe, that Luke was the only man he had known who had completely mastered his fear.)

Eddie Rickenbacker and his SPAD

Eagle Squadron’s commander, Maj. Harold Hartney, was a Canadian ace with two years in the war and unconventional ideas about how a pursuit squadron should be organized and led. Hartney fostered individualism, stressed individual initiative, and taught extreme tactics and maneuvers. Under his command Eagle Squadron became the AEF's best during the spring and early summer of 1918.

When Luke and Wehner arrived at the 27th Major Hartney gave them a welcoming speech. Here is one listener’s memory:

You men stand in front of me today (but) within two weeks each and every one of you will be dead - cold dead - unless you weigh what I say. "You are going to be surprised in the first, second or third trip over the line and, despite all I can say right now, you will never know there is an enemy ship near you until you notice you windshield disintegrating or until a sharp sting interrupts your breathing. "School is over. You have a man's job... so when you get up there over the lines and you find you want to come back that means you're yellow. I do not ask you to be brave enough to go over, I only ask you to have enough guts to come back and tell me so and get to hell out of this outfit.

You are in the 27th in name only. When you have shown your buddies out there that you have guts and can play the game honestly and courageously, they'll probably let you stay. You'll know without without my telling you when you are actually members of this gang. It's up to you.

Major Hartney trained rookie fighter pilots by putting them in the air and attacking them, proving over and over what he had learned in two years of aerial combat: When you see one Hun, look for the second. Watch for the Hun in the sun. Keep your head moving. Don't dive to shake a Boche on your tail. Shoot to kill.

To survive by some miracle two years as a fighter pilot on the Western Front Hartney must have been more than lucky. Luke was training under a master. Major Hartney taught that air-to-air fighting was not decided by stunt flying but by marksmanship, surprise, nerve, teamwork, and by taking advantage of even a split second enemy weakness. Hey, war is still that way for sure.

Luke would be just one of the unremembered dead without Major Hartney, I think.

The 27th Squadron pilots did not like Frank Luke. Real hostility, I mean. Ostracism. He made only three friends in the Group. After the war, Hartney described Luke:

Bashful, self-conscious, and decidedly not a mixer...his reticence was interpreted as conceit. In fact, this preyed on his mind to such an extent that he became almost a recluse, with an air of sullenness, which was not that at all.

Luke's self-confidence caused most of the pilots in the group to regard him as a boastful four-flusher and many of them never liked him, even to the end, in spite of his extraordinary accomplishments. You could not altogether blame them. Frank was unfortunate in frequently giving the wrong impression.

One day George Jordan, a veteran sergeant of the 147th, told me he had been chatting with Luke as a German plane flew over. Looking up, Luke said, "Gee, that plane would be a cinch for me." This and many similar remarks would certainly indicate a high degree of boastfulness but I really believe they were nothing of the sort. I think they were simply the honest confidence of a zealous but not-too-diplomatic boy.

The Squadron called him "The Arizona Boaster" according to Quentin Reynolds.

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1 posted on 10/19/2005 7:59:21 PM PDT by alfa6
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Hartney considered Luke a pain in the rear that July but changed his mind soon after, as we shall see. Hartney wrote this story ten years later:

The first time I really took much of an interest in him was about three days after I had lost six of my officers and Don Hudson had shot down two biplane Rumplers carrying four men on Aug. 1, 1918. I had already been up to the lines to see if I could find any of my boys.... That first day I could not get any farther than Villers Cotterets, not far from our small advance airdrome, although farther north, and had to return by foot and freight train via Paris.

A couple of days later Luke came to my tent and said, 'Major, Lt. Clapp says it is all right for me to go up with you this morning if you can take me.' I shall never forget that journey. Frank, one enlisted man and I went along in my Packard. On this trip he talked freely, of his days on the plains back home, of incidents of his training, of his ambition to be an outstanding flier. He was extremely serious always.

Walking to the top of a hill we found the two German planes Hudson had brought down... The two pilots and their observers were still there, their faces black, the summer sun getting in its rapid work. One of them had on very light patent leather low shoes. This impressed Luke. 'Wonder where he was the night before,' he murmured. Rumor had it among the ground troops that one of the Germans was a girl, but this was not true.

Three hundred yards farther we came to the top of another knoll and looked down the other side, a smooth space of about a hundred acres. Never have my eyes rested on such a sight. May they never again behold one like it. The hill was literally covered with dead men, side by side, head to head, little or no space between, practically all of them American doughboys. They had died in droves charging German machine gun nests left behind to cover the retreat. Right in front of us were a German and an American who had actually pierced each other with their bayonets and neither bayonet had been withdrawn.

Frank stooped over and picked up some unmailed postal cards fallen from a pocket of one of the dead boys. The one on top was addressed to his mother out in Iowa.

‘Leave them there,' I said. 'That American padre over there is busy picking up such things to send back to the next of kin.'Carefully and reverently, Luke replaced the cards in the pocket of the dead Yankee.

'Boy!' he exclaimed. 'I'm glad I'm not in the infantry. They haven't a chance, have they, Major?'

Hiking back to the road, we got into our car and made our way farther along toward Fismes, on the Vesle, where somebody had told us the front line lay. We noticed some peculiar stares in the eyes of several small detachments of American troops marching on the road. Presently a young second lieutenant stopped us.

'Sir, do you realize you're beyond the front lines? The last car that went up there didn't come back. It was captured.'

Things were so quiet it seemed incredible...

...We found several, including two enemy and several British Camels. Most of them had bullet holes through the headrests. On one we actually found a rifle lying on the wing. The plane seemed intact and only a splotch of blue and a torn helmet indicated what had happened to the pilot.

‘These men were all diving away when they were hit, weren't they, Major?' asked Luke.

'Yes,' I replied. 'It's what I've told you and the other boys a dozen times. That's about the only time one gets hit.'

'By God, they'll never catch me that way,' said Frank.

.... We walked farther and saw other wrecks but none of them ours. Then we went back to the Packard and drove toward Fere-en-Tardenois. Luke asked permission to go over and take another look at the two crushed, interlocked German two-seaters. We got out and I strolled over to glimpse again that terrible slaughter field where so many men lay dead for economic and political reasons beyond their comprehension. It was getting dark. Except for the rumble of distant guns there was absolute silence. Silhouetted against the evening skyline on top of that hill was one moving figure. It was the steel-helmeted padreSlowly he would stoop over and pick up something and put it in his pocket. I did not disturb him.

Again in the car we were almost to Fere-en-Tardenois when something attracted our attention. It was a group of American soldiers watching something in the sky a little distance away. We got out and joined them. It was a single German plane. He had dropped from the sky like a bullet and poured some incendiary bullets right into one of our observation balloons. The sausage, full of hydrogen, was falling in flames. The occupants had bailed out in their parachutes. Even as we watched, the heine pilot dipped into a swift attack on a second balloon nearby. He caught it asit was being dragged down by its winch. It, too, went up in flames. The rattle of our machine guns were terrific but it meant nothing. The Boche Albatross went blithely hedge-hopping homeward. All was still again.

The sights and experiences of that day must have had a profound impact on Frank Luke. A less intrepid boy would certainly have lost any further desire to go into such gory and savage doings and would have found ways and means of getting himself sent to a safer part of the war zone. But with Luke it was different. All the way home he was silent. And I am positive that on that homeward trip he laid out his future course and made his plans to become our most spectacular flier and the world's greatest strafer of enemy balloons.

2 posted on 10/19/2005 8:11:07 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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August 16th 1918

Major Hartney:

Several days later, Aug. 16, to be exact, I had my first real feel of Frank Luke's dependability in the air. Our advance airdrome at Coincy was ready for us, camouflaged gas trucks and everything, and we got orders to use that as the starting point for a protection patrol. We were having great trouble with the new Spads and the boys of the 27th and 147th had no confidence in them. A poorly housed reduction gear which would get out of line with the slightest nick in the propeller was constantly causing us mechanical difficulties. It would vibrate and soon the various pieces of plumbing would start to ease loose and the engine would begin to miss or quit completely.

At 5:05 p.m. I led a gang of 12 of our planes and three from the 94th out at 9000 feet to protect one of Ken Littauer's photographic Salmsons from the 88th squadron. We soared up in perfect formation. From Fere-en-Tardenois to Fismes, however, our boys began dropping out with engine trouble. Finally there was only one plane left besides mine. By now we were at 18,000 feet and had had several minor brushes with the enemy.

Salmsom with an escort

It was one of those grim, heat-hazy days when it was particularly difficult to spot enemy I pulled in (at Coincy) there were 13 of our ships sitting on the ground. When I had taxied to a stop a lot of the pilots came running over to tell me they thought I had been lost and to utter loud and violent blasphemies concerning the Spads and the French...I am told no man ever cursed as loud and as vehemently as I did...

I was still ranting...when a lone Spad came in with the pilot goosing his engine and causing a terrific racket.

'Here comes your boyfriend now,' said one man from the 27th. 'He said he was going to get his first Boche today or never come back. Let's see what the blowhard's got to say for himself. Bet he claims one.'

Some of the others beat me getting over to find out what had happened to Luke. One came running back to me.

'What did I tell you? He says he shot one off your tail.'

...Frank Luke was a lonesome and despised man from that day until he brought down his first balloon near Marieulles on the St. Mihiel front on Sept. 12. In the whole group he found only three men who believed in him - Joe Wehner and Ivan Roberts in the 27th and Norman Archibald in the 95th. A few days later, just as we shifted to St. Mihiel, Archibald, a green but gallant pilot, was captured by the Germans. Luke spent most of his spare time on the machine gun range perfecting his already excellent marksmanship.

According to Luke's biographer, James Norman Hall (Mutiny on the Bounty and many others with Charles Nordhoff, Falcons of France and others by himself as well as a combat fighter pilot in the 1st Aero Group), Hartney believed his renegade pilot was speaking the truth. br>
James Norman Hall:

I am firmly convinced the boy got the plane. His verbal account of the battle contained those little differences that give such a report the touch of verisimilitude. But the squadron didn't believe him, and that made Luke bitter.

As a result Luke regarded his brother officers contemptuously, taunted them with their own shortcomings, dared them to fight, and when they declined, avoided them.

All but one - Joe Wehner."

Hartney was transferred to higher command on August 21st. His replacement was Lieutenant Alfred Grant, a strict disciplinarian and a true martinet. On the first morning of being in command he made an all hands inspection, dress uniforms, tool counting, button counting, clothes stacked just so on shelter halves, every pair of shoes shined brightly, brass gleaming, chins shaven and hair freshly cut. And, of course, the inspection was held at the traditional time of 4:30 AM. He instituted roll calls at night and at arms drill for the enlisted men. This stuff really turned off Frank Luke.

On September 3rd the Eagle Squadron arrived at Rembercourt to support the American Battle of the St. Mihiel Salient. They would stay there until the Armistice.

Some 550,000 Americans and 110,000 French took part in the St. Mihiel offensive with 3,000 artillery pieces and 400 French tanks (some of which were manned by Americans). George S. Patton was there. Douglas MacArthur. Allied aircraft consisted of 297 pursuit planes (226 available), 259 observation planes (219 available) and 55 bombing planes (42 available) for a total of 627 (487 available). The French supplied 627 planes (430 available). In addition there were 15 American and six French observation balloons.

If all went as hoped, American forces would spearhead a drive into the center of a bulge in the German lines, rupturing the front and setting the stage for the final drive into the Fatherland - the planned Meuse-Argonne offensive, and then the famous Plan 1919 and the destruction of the German Army.

3 posted on 10/19/2005 8:21:28 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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Each American unit had a place in the plan. The Eagle Squadron was to destroy the Draken.

We must now examine the Draken, or Drachen, which means “kite”, but more completely it means “Dragon”. The Draken were German observation balloons flying 1,000 to 4,000 feet above the ground and just behind the German lines. The Draken was a very steady observation platform where a truck could be watched from fifteen miles away, men from five or six miles, and artillery fire from thirty or forty miles away by muzzle flash at night. Pre-planned artillery fires covered every inch of the ground in front of the Draken. Such an important set of eyes was protected very well indeed, as you would expect.

The following is taken from the historian Dr. David Payne:

The sausage shaped balloon of both sides on the Western Front was around 200 feet (60m) in length, 50 feet (15m) feet in diameter, and contained about 30,000 cubic feet of inflammable hydrogen gas. Some of the larger balloons were filled with coal gas, also then known as illumination gas.

Most observation balloons had an external envelope made of sheets of rubberized (gutta percha = latex rubber + naphtha) diagonal cotton cloth, sewn together as gores and segments. The rubberized cloth was then vulcanized. Inside the envelope so formed, were located cylindrical hydrogen gas-bag(s) and a ballonet, which was filled with a constant supply of air from the wind further tautening and stabilizing the envelope.

A valve attached to a fixed chain inside the balloon would be activated when the balloon expanded an was in danger over-inflating as it ascended, or warmed in the sun, releasing gas so the balloon would not burst under its own pressure.

Due to paucity of suitable dyes, the balloons were usually colored yellow or grey with chrome or aniline dyes.

Helium, an inert gas, and, therefore, potentially a much safer balloon inflation agent, was not available in large quantities until just before the Armistice and was never put into operational use on the Western Front in the Great War.

The shape of the stabilizer at the rear end of the balloon often gave the nickname to the balloon. A typical example of the sausage-type was the not very successful German balloon designed by Major John Parseval and Hauptman von Siegsfeld almost thirty years before the Great War. It had a single stabilizer (or ballonet) that was tube-like, located low and centrally and curved over the tail of the balloon. It was officially called the Drachen – German for Dragon or, also, a Kite (more confusion!) - and unofficially as the Nulle or the ‘Testicle’ due to the suggestive shape of the air-filled steering bag. The size of this balloon was 65 feet long and 27 feet in diameter (20m x 8m).

One end of the 15mm (5/8th’s of an inch) diameter cable that tethered of all types of observation balloon was attached to the under-belly of the balloon by multiple branch ropes with attachment points to a ‘girdle’. This went all the way round the long axis of the balloon. It provided a bracing effect, and enhanced rigidity and stability. The other end of the cable was wound onto a winch that was bolted to the back of a 3-ton lorry and powered by a petrol engine. This winch would be used to pay out the balloon cable as the balloon rose in the air – nominally at about 10 metres per second - and to reel it in when the observation missions were accomplished. Later models were provided with express speed winches so that when danger threatened – as it frequently did – the winch could within seconds, rather than minutes, reel in the balloon and its occupant(s).
The balloon crew also had access to a valve in the nose of the balloon that could release gas and expedite the descent of the balloon. Another device, self-explanatorily called the ‘ripper panel’, could be opened by the balloon crew in even greater extremis; it would cause the balloon to descend even more precipitately.

The anticipated ‘life’ of an observation balloon in an active sector of the Western Front was about two weeks. By 1918, due to the activities of the air aces called ‘balloon-busters’ the ‘life’ of a balloon could be as little as half a day. These aces called the men who manned the balloons, ‘balloonatics’.

When fighter aircraft became sophisticated and could carry out the aerobatics required to safely target the observation balloon many attempts were made to shoot the observation balloons down. It was not until the special incendiary machine gun bullets – the so-called Buckingham bullets, fired from special .45 caliber machine guns - became available that any degree of success was achieved.

Of course, every attempt was made to protect the balloons by supportive action from the ground and the air. Every balloon site was surrounded by anti-aircraft artillery and high-powered machine-guns, and had a shield of fighter planes. (Draken were protected by seventy or eighty well manned 8mm water-cooled machineguns, explosive incendiary autocannon, and a battery of 77 mm anti-aircraft artillery.) Chains and cables were suspended from the balloon to make further hazards for the enemy fighter aircraft and, where the balloons were gathered in a group, a sort of chain mail was linked between them. The Germans skilled use of a spectacular incendiary anti-aircraft shell was said to deter all but the most ardent of the Allied fighter pilots.

German Krupp 70mm Flak Gun

Paradoxically, the closer a balloon was winched down to the ground, the safer it became, as most pilots would not attack below 1,000 feet altitude for fear of anti-aircraft and small arms fire.At the time of planned infantry offensives, the fighter aircraft squadrons of the side launching the offensive were specifically instructed to target the enemy’s observation balloons, so as to blind the enemy field commanders to the movements and dispositions of the attacking troops.

Eagle Squadron’s job were the drachen. One of their Spad XIII’s two machineguns was changed over to a special .45 caliber machinegun firing Buckingham red phosphorous incendiary ammunition and tactics were practiced. (Luke for sure killed his first Draken without the Buckingham incendiaries. At some unknown later date he used the Buckingham equipment.)

Some folks have said that Frank Luke just went out and killed Draken for his own personal reasons. This is completely untrue. Luke became famous in seventeen days at St. Mihiel. On the first day Frank Luke was despised by his squadron mates and called a boastful liar. Two weeks and three days later the other pilots looked on Frank Luke with awe and amazement.

Instead of scorn for "that boastful liar Luke" his squadron mates would say with deep pride and humility "I flew with Frank Luke."

His example inspired the Eagle Squadron, the 1st Pursuit Group, the Army Air Service, and the Army Air Corps. Frank Luke inspires the United States Air Force to this day.

We will continue his story tomorrow.

Map of the lines before the St. Mihiel Offensive

4 posted on 10/19/2005 8:33:46 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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5 posted on 10/19/2005 8:46:09 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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6 posted on 10/19/2005 8:48:52 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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Many thanks to Iris7 for doing the research and writing for the Frank Luke threads. Other than the picture captions and one, maybe two very small alterations every thing that you read is from the crafty pen of Iris7.


alfa6 ;>}

7 posted on 10/19/2005 8:56:27 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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Good morning America!!


OMG, I thought I would never get the kinks out!

8 posted on 10/19/2005 9:12:14 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (If down is up, is up, down. Feathers in the wind.)
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Good evening Miss 'feather

Are I a day behind or is you a day ahead???


alfa6 ;>}

9 posted on 10/19/2005 9:23:28 PM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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Oh man, alfa I is ahead. LOL

Been that way every since I got home from MO. ;)

10 posted on 10/19/2005 9:26:31 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (If down is up, is up, down. Feathers in the wind.)
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Thanks to you both for this story. I like the name for the balloon crews. Balloonatics. LOL. Looking forward for the rest of the story.

11 posted on 10/19/2005 9:54:17 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Thanks for picking up the slack and taking over on these threads .... you're ALMOST as good as SAMWolf and snippy .... :)

keep up the good work!!!


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12 posted on 10/20/2005 12:29:04 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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Good morning to everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.

13 posted on 10/20/2005 3:00:24 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Howdy, Neil.

Hey, always room for one more! Jump on in, water's fine!

14 posted on 10/20/2005 3:02:34 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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You two have put in some serious time and work on the Foxhole over the years. I speak from experience!

I think you will like Frank Luke. He IS such a decent and brave youngster. ("Our God is the God of the living" as Jesus said.)

Hmm, maybe MacArthur in the Great War....
15 posted on 10/20/2005 3:11:38 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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Thanks to both of you. Good job!

Frank Luke was said to be “cute but terrifying” as a child. Standard parental discipline had only temporary effect.

This line cracked me up.

16 posted on 10/20/2005 3:27:24 AM PDT by Samwise (The media is "stuck on stupid.")
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Good morning every one.

17 posted on 10/20/2005 3:49:26 AM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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Good Thursday morning to everyone! Hope your day goes well.

18 posted on 10/20/2005 4:32:42 AM PDT by texianyankee
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October 20, 2005

Living Royally

Galatians 3:19-4:7

You are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. —Galatians 4:7

Bible In One Year: Matthew 20-22

cover There is an ancient story about a man named Astyages who determined to do away with a royal infant named Cyrus. He summoned an officer of his court and told him to kill the baby prince. The officer in turn delivered the youngster to a herdsman with instructions that he should take him high up into the mountains where the baby would die from exposure.

The herdsman and his wife, however, took the child and raised him as their own. Growing up in the home of those humble peasants, he naturally thought they were his real parents. He was ignorant of his royal birth and his kingly lineage. Because he thought he was a peasant, he lived like one.

Many Christians fail to realize the royal heritage that is theirs in Christ. They live as spiritual peasants when they should be living royally. According to the apostle Paul, believers "are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:26). He also said, "Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, 'Abba, Father!' Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ" (4:6-7).

God has given us everything we need to live victorious, fulfilling lives. Let's not live like peasants. —Richard De Haan

Rejoice—the Lord is King!
Your Lord and King adore!
Rejoice, give thanks, and sing
And triumph evermore. —Wesley

A child of the King should reflect his Father's character.

God Our Father

19 posted on 10/20/2005 4:49:04 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Good Morning Neil, Iris7 gets the credit for todays thread. I are just the illustrator and poster on this one.

y'all have a great day


alfa6 ;>}

20 posted on 10/20/2005 5:13:52 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: Samwise

Does that line about Ftank Luke remind you of your own kids :-) ???


alfa6 ;>}

21 posted on 10/20/2005 5:16:52 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: texianyankee; E.G.C.

Good Mornin t'all

A bit of a rainy night here in Kansas City and cool to boot. It looks like fall has finally fell.


alfa6 ;>}

22 posted on 10/20/2005 5:20:03 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: The Mayor

Good morning Mayor, good luck with the elections next month.

You're a braver man than I


alfa6 ;>}

23 posted on 10/20/2005 5:21:42 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning there snippy, I am working on gettimg a CD to you and SAM some time in the next few months. Has lots of Bird pics and even a few wolf pics for SAM.

Part 2 tonite, hope it goes smoother than last nite :-)


alfa6 ;>}

24 posted on 10/20/2005 5:25:07 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: alfa6; snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor; Valin; Iris7; SAMWolf; ...
good morning ladies and gents. Flag-o-Gram.

USO brings taste of America to troops
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines take a respite from deployed life to enjoy a concert put on by country music star Toby Keith on May 17. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Brian Davidson)

Can you read my t-shirt now size

25 posted on 10/20/2005 5:28:49 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Yes, the world does revolve around us. We picked the coordinate system.)
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To: alfa6

Braver or Crazier?

At times I think I'm totally nuts..

26 posted on 10/20/2005 5:33:19 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather

27 posted on 10/20/2005 6:23:26 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Yes, the world does revolve around us. We picked the coordinate system.)
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To: bentfeather

Wow, what a picture! LOL.

28 posted on 10/20/2005 6:51:39 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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To: alfa6
Part 2 tonite, hope it goes smoother than last nite :-)

Men! What is it about you guys that keeps you from asking for help. LOL. Believe me, I remember those nights, searching code to figure out what the deal was.

29 posted on 10/20/2005 7:24:02 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: All
Some news for the Foxhole.

Thursday, October 20, 2005

World War II hero Arthur 'Dutch' Schultz, 82, dies


Staff Writer

HELENDALE — D-Day paratrooper, counterintelligence agent and former director of several drug and alcohol rehabilitation programs Arthur B. "Dutch" Schultz has died at 82.

Dutch died at 3:40 p.m. on Sunday at his Helendale home, said wife Gail Schultz.

"He had a really lovely life. We had lots of fun," Schultz said. "He was a man with a great spirit."

Dutch Schultz earned a Bronze Star for his heroics on the beaches of Normandy and two Purple Hearts for combat in France and the Battle of the Bulge.

His other adventures as a counterintelligence agent trailing Roy Cohn, chief counsel to Sen. Joseph McCarthy, and as a private detective in Philadelphia were among many other journeys that made him bigger than life, so much so that his adventures flowed onto pages of several books, the halls of museums and the big screen in Hollywood.

Historian Cornelius Ryan interviewed Dutch for three books, "A Bridge Too Far," "The Last Battle" and "The Longest Day," which was published in 1959 before being made into the 1962 Hollywood movie.

Schultz is portrayed in the movie by Richard Beymer. Interestingly, the movie producers were so impressed with Dutch that he is the only enlisted man called by his full name in the film.

Schultz is also in three World War II books authored Stephen Ambrose, "Citizen Soldiers," "The Victors" and "D-Day," where one will find several pages graced by the heroic and oftentimes comical antics of "Dutch."

Schultz, never one to stay idle for long, did research for Ambrose and director Steven Spielberg for the 1998 movie "Saving Private Ryan."

His recorded voice can be heard in the halls of The National D-Day Museum in New Orleans. There Schultz tells thousands of visitors a day about his experience on D-Day.

Longtime friends of Schultz recall his larger-than-life personality and his humanitarianism.

Longtime friend Joe Losi, a history teacher at Riverview Middle School in Helendale, said Schultz would speak to the students in his World War II class about his experiences during the war.

"The kids were always mesmerized by him," Losi said. "Lots of them would stay after class to talk to him. He would get very animated. He would forget he was talking to kids. It was like he was talking to a bunch of old friends."

Todd Anton, history teacher at Heritage School, said Schultz was the "definition of compassion."

"Through his struggles he made me realize I can accomplish anything," Anton said. "He told me that paratroopers always go one step forward, never a step back. America didn't just lose Dutch Schultz. America lost a big piece of itself."

Last year, Anton arranged for Schultz, an avid baseball fan, to throw out the opening pitch at an Angels game on the 60th anniversary of D-Day.

"He had tears in his eyes (when he threw the pitch)," Anton said. "I can't think of any better way to honor Dutch."

Schultz, a native of Detroit, moved in California in 1973 and wed Gail, his third wife, two years later. They were married for 30 years.

"We read a lot, talked a lot and traveled a good bit," Gail Schultz said. "He was a terrifically interesting guy."

A recovered alcoholic since the 1960s, Dutch Schultz operated a drug and alcohol-rehabilitation program at Fort Irwin until his retirement in 1984.

Along with his wife Dutch Schultz is survived by his daughter Carol Vento, granddaughter, Rosemary, two sisters and a brother.

Another daughter, Rosemary, died in 1973.

Gretchen Losi contributed to this story.

Tracie Troha may be reached at 955-5358 or


30 posted on 10/20/2005 7:26:36 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6; Iris7

Thanks for all the work. It's a shame that Frank Luke Jr is relatively unknown. From what I've read about him he seems to have been a man in the vane of Pappy Boyington, troublesoome and looked down upon by the Brass. He got the job done though and that's what mattered

27th Aero Squadron

31 posted on 10/20/2005 7:28:00 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen, now even down is up)
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To: Neil E. Wright
you're ALMOST as good as SAMWolf and snippy .... :)

LOL. Treading lightly I see. We were always open to folks posting and we are truly glad to see more readers participating in bringing these wonderful stories to the Foxhole.

32 posted on 10/20/2005 7:29:42 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Actually the problem last nite and today as well has been the haphazard performance of FT. Last night was taking several minutes to get the posts up so I could reply to them.

The few code problems I had were my fault and did not take long to fix.

It is kind of unnerving to hit the post button for the first post and be told that "No Thread Exists"!!!

Fortunately the cyber gods were smiling and the post was there but I had to find it by going to the My comments page.

Oh well tonite will be a new adventure


alfa6 ;>}

33 posted on 10/20/2005 7:32:50 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: Iris7
I speak from experience!

LOL. You make me proud. I can't explain it properly but knowing you worked on a Foxhole about a subject you care about puts a big grin on my face. :-)

We really do appreciate it. You and alfa6 certainly compliment Sam and me with your efforts.

34 posted on 10/20/2005 7:33:59 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6
I am working on gettimg a CD to you and SAM

Cool, thanks. I look forward to it.

FR is still having trouble this morning it looks like. SLOW!

I used to hate it when you'd have maybe 4 or 5 posts to make and after posting it would say post 4 of 3 and you'd have to wait and keep refreshing to find your dang post!

35 posted on 10/20/2005 7:41:16 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Morning, PE!

36 posted on 10/20/2005 7:49:24 AM PDT by Samwise (The media is "stuck on stupid.")
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To: alfa6

On This Day In History

Birthdates which occurred on October 20:
1632 Sir Christopher Wren England, astronomer/architect
1812 Austin Flint 19th century heart research pioneer
1854 Arthur Rimbaud France, poet/adventurer (Illuminations)
1859 John Dewey philosopher, educational theorist/writer (Learn by doing)
1874 Charles Edward Ives Danbury Ct, composer (Holliday Quick Step)
1874 Viscount Palmerston (Whig) British PM (1855-65)
1889 Margaret Dumont actress-Marx Brothers' foil
1908 Arlene Francis Boston Mass, radio/TV hostess (What's My Line?)
1911 Will Rogers Jr actor (Down to Earth)
1913 Barney Phillips St Louis Mo, actor (Dragnet, Felony Squad)
1918 Anton Diffring Koblenz Germany, actor (Assignment Vienna)
1921 Pierre Laporte Canada, journalist/statesman (Revolution Script)
1922 John Anderson Clayton Ill, actor (Virgil-Legend of Wyatt Earp)
1923 Herschel Bernardi NYC, actor (Peter Gunn, Arnie, Voice of Charlie the Tuna, The Front)
1925 Art Buchwald Mt Vernon NY, columnist/author (Have I Ever Lied to You)
1926 Ursula Happe Germany, 200m backstroke swimmer(Olympic-gold-1956)
1930 "Grandpa" Louis M Jones Niagra Ky, country singer/banjoist (Hee Haw)
1931 Mickey Mantle NY Yankee, home run slugger (1956 Triple Crown)
1932 Roosevelt Brown Virginia, NFL hall of fame tackle (NY Giants)
1934 Martin Landau actor (Mission Impossible, Space 1999, Tucker)
1934 Michael Dunn actor (Ship of Fools, "The Wild Wild West".... Dr. Miguelito Loveless)
1935 Jerry Orbach actor (Law & Order, Dirty Dancing)
1937 Juan Marichal baseball pitcher (SF Giants)
1946 Connie Chung Washington DC, news anchor (NBC, CBS)
1948 Andrei Suraikin USSR, pairs figure skater (Olympic-silver-1972)
1953 Keith Hernandez SF Calif, NY Met 1st baseman (9 golden gloves)
1953 Tom Petty Gainesville Fla, singer (Heartbreakers-Refugee)
1958 Eric Scott Hollywood Calif, actor (Ben-Waltons)

Deaths which occurred on October 20:
1765 William August Duke of Cumberland, Engl supreme commander, dies at 44
1906 William "Buck" Ewing hall of fame catcher (NY Giants), dies at 67
1954 Willie Shaw race car driver (Indy 500-1937, 39, 40), dies at 51
1964 Herbert Hoover 31st president of US, dies in NY at 90
1968 Elder Lightfoot Solomon Michaux TV preacher, dies at 84
1972 Harlow Shapley discoverer of the Sun's position in the galaxy, dies
1989 Anthony Quayle, actor (Moses, Operation Crossbow), dies at 76
1990 Joel McCrea, actor (Ramrod), dies of pulmonary complications at 84
1994 Burt Lancaster, actor (Elmer Gantry), dies of heart attack at 80
2003 Jack Elam (82), character actor and favorite Western villain

Take A Moment To Remember
GWOT Casualties

20-Oct-2003 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Staff Sergeant Paul J. Johnson Fallujah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - ambush

20-Oct-2004 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Sergeant Douglas E. Bascom Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire

Data research by Pat Kneisler
Designed and maintained by Michael White
Go here and I'll stop nagging.

On this day...
0480 BC Greeks defeat the Persians in a naval battle at Salamis.
1097 1st Crusaders arrive in Antioch
1349 Pope Clement VI condemns the flagellant movement
1600 Battle of Sekigahara sets Tokugawa clan as Japan's rulers (shoguns)
1740 Maria Theresa became ruler of Austria, Hungary & Bohemia
1803 US Senate ratifies the Louisiana Purchase
1817 1st Mississippi showboat leaves Nashville on maiden voyage
1818 49th parallel established as the border between US & Canada
1818 US & Britain agree to joint control of Oregon country
1847 Little William Nelman poisons his grandpa
1883 Treaty of Ancon, Peru cedes Tarapaca to Chile
1888 Chicago & All America baseball teams play exhibition in Auckland, NZ
1899 Columbia (US) beats Shamrock (England) in 11th America's Cup
1903 US wins disputed boundary between the District of Alaska & Canada
1905 Great General Strike in Russia begins; lasts 11 days
1906 Dr Lee DeForest demonstrates his radio tube
1910 1st appearance of cork centered baseball in World Series (World Series #7)
1911 Roald Amundsen sets out on race to South Pole
1930 British White Paper restricts Jews from buying Arab land
1942 "Durham Manifesto" calls for fundamental changes in race relations
1944 30 blocks of Cleveland OH burn after a liquid gas factory explodes
1944 US 1st army wins battle of Aachen
1944 US forces under Gen Douglas MacArthur return to the Philippines
1945: Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon form the Arab League to present a unified front against the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.
1946 Frank Seno returns kickoff 105 yd, Chicago Cards vs NY Giants
1947 HUAC opens hearings into alleged Communist influence in Hollywood
1955 Yanks begin 16-game exhibition in Japan
1956 58ø F (15ø C), Esperanza Station, Antarctica (Antarctic record high) (More proof of global warming!)
1956 Hannes Lindemann begins journey across Atlantic in a 17' craft
1960 1st fully mechanized post office opened, Providence, RI
1960 Ralph Houk replaces Casey Stengel as Yankee manager
1963 Jim Brown sets NFL single-season rushing record, 1,863 yds
1963 S Africa begins trial of Nelson Mandela & 8 others on conspiracy
1964 Riot at Rolling Stones show in Paris (150 arrested)
1967 7 men are convicted of civil rights violations in Meridan Miss
1967 All white fed jury convicts 7 in murder of 3 civil rights workers
1968 Jacqueline Kennedy marries Aristotle Onassis
1973 Arab oil-producing nations ban oil exports to the United States, following the outbreak of Arab-Israeli war.
1973 Sat Night Massacre, Watergate prosecutor Archibald Cox dismissed by Solicitor Gen Bork, AG Richardson & Deputy AG Ruckelshaus resigned
1976 70 die as Norwegian tanker Frosta collides with George Prince
1976 NY Nets Julius "Dr J" Erving sold to the Phila 76ers
1977 3 members of rock group Lynyrd Skynyrd die in charter plane crash
1979 John F Kennedy Library dedicated in Boston
1981 3 members of Weather underground arrested for armored truck robbery
1982 Billy Martin fired as manager of the Oakland A's
1982 St Louis Cards beat Mil Brewers, 4 games to 3 in 79th World Series
1983 IBM-PC DOS Version 2.1 released
1984 Islander's Mike Bossy's 30th career hat trick-4 goals
1987 10 die as Air Force jet crashed into a Ramada Inn near Indianapolis
1987 Subway gunman Bernhard Goetz sentenced to 6 months in jail
1988 Britain ends suspects right to remain silent in crackdown on IRA
1988 LA Dodgers beat Oakland A's in 85th World Series 4 games to 1
1988 Man armed with explosives blows self up in 125 St subway station (NYC)
1988 Reggie Rogers, Det Lion's # 1 pick, kills 3 by driving intoxicated
1989 US Senate impeaches US District Judge Alcee L Hastings
1990 3 members of 2 Live Crew acquitted on obscenity charges in Florida
1990 Antiwar protest marches begin in 20 US cities (US-Iraq)
1990 Cincinatti Reds sweep Oakland A's in the 87th World Series
1997 US accuses Microsoft of violating pact forcing IE browser on computers using Windows 95
2000 A former U.S. Army sergeant pleaded guilty to participating in a terrorist plot against Americans. His testimony directly linked Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden to the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya.
2001 Nat’l. Sec. Advisor, Condoleeza Rice, and Sec. of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, appear on Al Jazeera network to repeat that the war on terrorism is not a war on Islam.
2002 Yao Ming (22), a 7-foot-5 basketball player from China, arrived in Texas to join the Houston Rockets
2002 In Iraq President Saddam Hussein issued an amnesty to all political prisoners and exiles to mark his perfect 100 percent uncontested election.
2004 Lebanon’s PM Rafik Hariri resigned, dissolved his Cabinet and made the surprise announcement that he would not try to form the next government.

Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Guatemala : Revolution Day/D¡a de la Revoluci¢n (1944)
Kenya : Jomo Kenyatta Day
Getting the World to Beat a Path to Your Door Week (Day 6)
National Shampoo Week (Day 6)
Auto Battery Safety Month
National Brandied Fruit Day
International Marine Travel Month
National Sarcastics' Awareness Month
Clergy Appreciation Month
National Cookie Month! (Cookies will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no cookies.)

Religious Observances
Buddhist-Laos : End of Buddhist Fast
Christian : Commemoration of St Bertilla Boscardin
Christian : Feast of St Irene
Old Catholic : Commemoration of St John Cantius (now 12/23)

Religious History
1802 Birth of Ernst W. Hengstenberg, German O.T. scholar. An outspoken defender of evangelical Christianity against the rationalism of his day, Hengstenberg's most significant writing was his four-volume "Christology of the Old Testament."
1828 Birth of American lawyer Horatio Gates Spafford. In 1873, upon learning of the drowning of his four daughters following a ship collision in the Atlantic, Spafford penned the lines to the hymn, "It is Well With My Soul."
1892 Birth of Harry Dixon Loes, sacred music educator. A writer of gospel songs and choruses, it was Loes who composed the hymn tune REDEEMER ("Up Calvary's Mountain, One Dreadful Morn").
1908 Birth of Stuart Hamblen, country songwriter who flourished during the 1950s. His best-remembered Christian songs include "Known Only to Him," "Beyond the Sunset," and "It Is No Secret."
1957 English apologist C.S. Lewis shared his longing for heaven in a letter: 'It'll be nice when we all wake up from this life, which has indeed something like a nightmare about it.'

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.

Stay-At-Home Mom Goes on Strike

Oct 20, 9:39 AM (ET)

By The Associated Press

FRANKFORT, Ind. (AP) - A stay-at-home mom is on strike - giving up her daily chores until her family gives her more help around the house.
Regina Stevenson, 41, sat on a lawn chair Tuesday on the sidewalk outside her home in Frankfort, 20 miles southeast of Lafayette, with a sign saying "Mom on Strike."

Stevenson has four children, ranging in age from 7 to 19. The youngest three live at home with her and her husband, Dennis, along with their daughter-in-law and grandson.
Stevenson says the large household means doing a lot of laundry, cooking, cleaning and gardening.
"I do everything except bring home the paycheck," she said, crediting her husband for that contribution.

Stevenson said her children are good kids and that her husband keeps odd hours and can't always pitch in.
But she said she wants more help around the house and that she won't be cleaning, cooking or doing other chores until they clean and learn to appreciate her.
"(Stay-at-home moms) are not paid with money, and I think that you should show a little courtesy and respect for what we do," she said.

Thought for the day :
"In making theories, always keep a window open so that you can throw one out if necessary."
Bela Lugosi

37 posted on 10/20/2005 7:51:00 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: alfa6

Nice job Alfa6!

My step-grandfather was with the 35th Divison at St Mihel. Although it was against regulations to keep a 'war diary' he got around that by writing his impressions in poetry by date and place. At the time of the great offensive at St. Mihel he wrote...

The rattlesnake sleeps in his bed at night,

And in the trench by day

A spiders bite is his delight

And with scorpions he does play

The water he drinks

Is green and stinks

For his bread he makes his own jam

Cause hes a gunner with the MGC *(machine gun company)

He just dosen't give a damn.

I found the diary in his old footlocker along with most of his gear and uniforms. Perfectly preserved due to his coating the exterior with melted wax. Except for his helmet and trench knife plus a few letters from my grandmother, I donated all of it to The Liberty Memorial here in KC. He would have like that.

38 posted on 10/20/2005 7:53:20 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("There is no Hell. There is only France." F. Zappa)
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To: alfa6; Iris7; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All
Morning Glory Folks~

Fascinating read . . . I knew Iris7 had it in him. Thanks for keeping the Foxhole alive alfa6.

39 posted on 10/20/2005 8:33:23 AM PDT by w_over_w (You did it ASTROS!!! 45 yrs. but you did it! God bless you and God bless Texas!)
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To: Valin
1994 Burt Lancaster, actor (Elmer Gantry), dies of heart attack at 80

My favorite Lancaster Movie

40 posted on 10/20/2005 8:35:12 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The cost of feathers has risen, now even down is up)
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To: w_over_w


41 posted on 10/20/2005 8:52:22 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Lee Heggy123

Good afternoon Lee

Be sure a give a lift of the lid to Iris7 as well, he did the hard part. All I had to do was pic out the pics and post it :-).

Good luck with St Louis


alfa6 ;>}

42 posted on 10/20/2005 9:49:19 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: bentfeather
OMG, I thought I would never get the kinks out!

Aha! The Mistress of Silly Walks.

43 posted on 10/20/2005 10:10:09 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Yes, the world does revolve around us. We picked the coordinate system.)
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To: Samwise

Middle Texas greetings

44 posted on 10/20/2005 10:13:16 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Yes, the world does revolve around us. We picked the coordinate system.)
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To: Valin
1097 1st Crusaders arrive in Antioch

The number of the count shall be three...

45 posted on 10/20/2005 10:16:28 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Yes, the world does revolve around us. We picked the coordinate system.)
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To: Professional Engineer

heh... we need to watch that again. It's been too long since my last viewing.

46 posted on 10/20/2005 10:35:41 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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To: Peanut Gallery

Yes, we must read about sister biting meese.

47 posted on 10/20/2005 10:40:05 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Yes, the world does revolve around us. We picked the coordinate system.)
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To: Professional Engineer; Peanut Gallery

Have you seen the STARGATE movie done to the Holy Handgrenade routine?

If not remind to put it on the next F-O-G CD


alfa6 ;>}

48 posted on 10/20/2005 11:28:18 AM PDT by alfa6 (Work....the curse of the drinking class.)
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To: alfa6; Iris7; snippy_about_it
Thanks for today's thread, guys.

I thought that name sounded familiar, then I remembered Luke Air Force Base. Guess that means he had to do something pretty special.

Is Phil Dragoo getting these pings? I'm in the mood for a good rant. The Iraqi constitution passed overwhelmingly last weekend. The insurgents could only mount a pitifully few operations to harass voters. The Iraqi people are increasingly turning against the terrorists. Bush's plan (yes, there is one) is on track and is succeeding. And all I read in the MSM was more defeatist crap.

49 posted on 10/20/2005 12:50:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: The Mayor

"Braver or Crazier?

At times I think I'm totally nuts.."

Don't remember where I read this, but it said something like "Only the insane never wonder about their sanity."

50 posted on 10/20/2005 1:04:20 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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