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To: Paul Atreides
If he indeed "stuck to the script" then this is really an assault on the Christian Bible.

I think any people in the world would do what was done to Christ. I have yet to see a people that does not have innocent blood on their hands. If the Jews want us to think they are better than that, they'd best come up with some proof that they DID NOT wave palm fronds at a man named Jesus from Nazareth one day, and cry for his blood the next.

I'm ready. Show me the proof that the events in the New Testament up to the Crucifixion* did not happen and never could have happened. Anybody? Hello? I'm waiting.


* Hey, I'm fair, I don't expect Jewish folk to disprove the Resurrection--for if they believed it they would be Christian!
4 posted on 08/12/2003 2:54:37 PM PDT by ChemistCat (It's National I'm Being Discriminated Against By Someone Day.)
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To: ChemistCat
I don't know about proof, but as far as taking issue with "history", you might find this somewhat interesting.
11 posted on 08/12/2003 3:01:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ChemistCat
I think any people in the world would do what was done to Christ. I have yet to see a people that does not have innocent blood on their hands

Indeed, Jesus himself was a Jew, raised in the Jewish tradition in a land of Jews. The only other folks around other than Jews were the Roman occuppiers of the land. They, the Romans, are of course the ones who actually killed Jesus, although the "Temple" leaders turned him in to the authorities and egged them on.

In any event, they, the leaders of the Temple and the Romans, were really only playing their role in fulfilling Jesus' destiny. He knew what was going to happen before they even heard of Him, so it's hard to come down very hard on them at all. It had to take place in a Jewish land, for Jesus was after all, the fullfilment of Jewish tradition, He was the Messaih, so who else could he appear amoung, other than the Jews, and who else could condem him other than the Jews? The Romans could have been anybody though, there part was not really important, nor did it require any unique cultural or religious heritage.

16 posted on 08/12/2003 3:06:08 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: ChemistCat
If the Jews want us to think they are better than that, they'd best come up with some proof that they DID NOT wave palm fronds at a man named Jesus from Nazareth one day, and cry for his blood the next.

Jesus was a JEW. Repeat: A JEW What on earth is the big deal on either side? He was a threat to the established Jewish and Roman order.

CHRISTIANS: As a rabbi threatening the system, he left himself open to enemies. Indeed he WANTED to die. It fulfilled his destiny. What would have happened if they DIDN'T kill him and instead gave him a job in the Temple with a nice golden pension? Would everyone be happier. This whole thing is so silly..,how can Christians be mad at Christ's "killers" when the Lord died for their sins, and himself said to "turn the other cheek"?
JEWS: And how can Jews deny the truth that their leaders at that time wanted Jesus out of the picture since he threatened their corrupt rule. E ven without the Jesus episode, the Jewish leaders had so led their people astray that they would all be scattered to the far winds within 2 generations afterwards regardless. These are the people Abe Foxman wants to defend? If you are idealistic you'd better have soldiers who can back you up. The Jews failed disastrously in this during the Bar Kochba uprising. Other nations were far more clever, working within the Roman system to get what they wanted, and eventually had their own nationhood when Rome finally fell. So it could have been with the Jews in the Holy Land had they not overreached so foolishly.

23 posted on 08/12/2003 3:15:46 PM PDT by montag813
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To: ChemistCat
It's easy to fix.

When the film opens have a screen with John 3:16 or Gal 1 3,4 or some such scripture that acknowleges Gods gift of salvation and the Price paid for our sins on the cross. The Jews may be right, the portrayal of the crucifiction, absent of the message of christ willingly laying down his life and the price of our salvation because of our sin, may look like a murder by a bunch of Jews (to those that have not heard the message.)

The point of Christs passion is not what happend, but why it happened.
35 posted on 08/12/2003 3:32:35 PM PDT by D Rider
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