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False Bibles, An Enemy of Soul Winning
FlamingTorch.org ^ | Unknown | Jack Hyles

Posted on 08/01/2003 11:51:43 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration

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To: fortheDeclaration
The bottom of the NIV has footnotes showing text that OTHER manuscripts have.

In the small group that I lead on Tuesday nights, I'm ALWAYS trying to point out that our Bible is just not translated from ONE source, but that there are multiple lines of the ancient texts that were considered for ANY translation (or paraphrase).
141 posted on 08/05/2003 2:53:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Aren't you saying that all the Revelation we need is not found in the written words of God?
 
 
No, not at all!
 
I say that just about ANY translation or paraphrase can get a fellow saved, filled with the Spirit and on His way to Heaven!
 
(Although I doubt the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION : Jehovah Witnesses or the JST : Joseph Smith Translation would be much help........)

142 posted on 08/05/2003 3:36:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: jude24
<< See, that's not what I see my job as being. My job is to show these kids what the Bible says. Which is more profitable: teaching them what the Bible says about God and who He is, and that we're totally depraved sinners, or what 500-year-old English means? >>

If you really have trouble teaching them the KJV, perhaps you need to take up truck driving instead.
143 posted on 08/06/2003 11:42:29 PM PDT by Con X-Poser
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To: editor-surveyor
<< "What makes Sinaiticus and Vaticanus untrustworthy?" >>

Asinine Alexandrian Errors

ALEXANDRIAN MANUSCRIPTS

Vaticanus (Vat, B) is the primary manuscript behind modern versions. Sinaiticus (Sin, Aleph) is the secondary Alexandrian (Egyptian, African) mss. used for MVs.

Both Vaticanus & Sinaiticus include the Apocrypha AS inspired canon. Sin goes further and adds the Epistle of Barnabas and Shepherd of Hermas to the NT. To make room, it omits the first part of John 8, the last part of Mark 16, and several other scattered verses.

Vat omits most of Genesis, ALL of Revelation, the pastoral epistles, and over 30 Psalms. It was left stuffed in the corner of the attic of the Vatican library for over 1,000 years - even the old Catholics didn't use it.




BLASPHEMY AND HERESY

Here are some of the most incredible corruptions:

Matt 27:49-50 (from Sin and Vat) Let us alone. Let us see whether Elijah will come to save him. Then another came with a spear and pierced his side and immediately there came out water and blood. Then Jesus cried with a loud voice and gave up the ghost.

There you have it - the ultimate blasphemy. Jesus did not die supernaturally as He Himself stated He would in John 10. Rather, according to these corrupt witnesses, Jesus was just another normal human who died the way every man dies (in this case He was killed by the soldier stabbing Him with his spear), in which case he couldn't save a drowned cat. That isn't the only serious error in the Alexandrian abominations, but it alone is enough to trash them as utterly corrupt. Here's a few more:

John 17:15 (Vat B) I do not pray that you should take them from the evil one.

Perhaps in the modern versions, he got his prayer answered! If the devil inspired a version, this is just the kind of change I'd expect him to make.

1 Cor 15:54-55 (Vat B) Death is swallowed up in CONTROVERSY. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your CONTROVERSY.

Why shouldn't MV proponents be swallowed up in controversy? They have no absolute scripture, what else could they be swallowed up in? How can they have victory when they don't even have a sure scripture? The whole difference between us and them is that we have certain victory, and they have confusion and controversy. This is just the reading that should be in their versions. I'm surprised they leave it out of their English versions, it fits so well with what they believe to just leave it as it reads in the Alexandrian Greek.

Luke 1:26 (Sin Aleph) And the angel Gabriel was sent to a city of JUDEA, named Nazareth.

Luke 4:44 where they say that Judea is inside Galilee.

These are demonstrable ERRORS, not just a matter of interpretation.

Luke 23:45 where it says the sun was “eclipsed” during a full moon.




ENDLESS ERRORS

Here are some of the other clear errors of lesser importance, but obvious errors just the same:

1 Thess 2:7 (Vat and Sin) But we were BABIES among you.

They are babies. They have no meat of the word, all they might have is milk of some "message". They are just being honest about themselves here. We can't fault them for that, can we?

Luke 3:33 – Aleph engages in one of its many magic tricks and makes two names out of one, viz., instead of “Aminadab” Aleph has “Admin” and “Adam.”

Luke 3:22 – Aleph has “Balls” instead of “Boaz.”

Matt 1:7 and following that Asaph the psalmist was in the royal lineage instead of Asa the king.

John 1:4 where they omit “of men”. Or where they omit “of the will of man” in John 1:13.

John 1:14 where they say “full of grace truth”, thus omitting the connective “and”.

Luke 23: where they omit the word of Jesus, “Father forgive them”.




There are countless more, but these show what kind of corrupted abominations we're dealing with. How could any honest Christian use anything connected with such egregious errors to line their bird cages for fear their parakeet might repeat some of it?

Anyone with the brain waves of lime jello can see Satan's fingerprints all over the MVs and the Alexandrian mss. It is getting nigh unto impossible to believe the detractors of the KJV are truly saved. I believe it is possible to get saved from other versions and to be led astray. Coming from a Roman Catholic background, I understand how someone can be deceived and misled - but some of these guys are not simply misled or ignorant. They have been given the scripture and have chosen to reject it.


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Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call HERESY, so worship I the God of my fathers, BELIEVING all things which are WRITTEN in the law and in the prophets:

144 posted on 08/06/2003 11:48:04 PM PDT by Con X-Poser
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To: RochesterFan
<< What manuscripts (textual data) do we have that predates 325AD? >>

Here are some items of proof that the text the KJV lines up with is older
and superior than the Alexandrian abominations:

******* ******* *******

OLDEST AND BETHESDA

The word "Bethesda" in John 5:2 has been conclusively affirmed as being the
correct reading since it has been irrevocably confirmed archaeologically.

Neither B, nor Aleph, nor P75, have "Bethesda."

The TR/AV has "Bethesda," and has always had "Bethesda." The 9th and 10th
and 11th century Byzantine miniscules have "Bethesda."

By the second or third century, however, "Bethesda" was virtually unknown.
Its exact identity and location was a complete mystery. Not even Eusebius
got the name right. The actual location of Bethesda was not discovered
until the late 19th century, and it was not excavated enough and fully
confirmed until the mid 20th century. Bethesda is now a confirmed FACT.

The Byzantine (TR-KJV) manuscripts could not possibly have known about
Bethesda unless they had come from manuscripts PRIOR to P75, B, Aleph, et. al.

In other words, the superior claim to antiquity goes to the Byzantine
manuscripts.

Moreover, it is doubtful that the location and identity of Bethesda even
made it into the 2nd century due to the utter destruction of Jerusalem.
Ergo, the Byzantine manuscripts takes us back to remote antiquity, FAR
EARLIER than ANY of the Alexandrian MSS.

Instance after instance could be multiplied. The Byzantine text bats a
thousand archaeologically; the Alexandrian text bats zero.

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JOHANINE COMMA BEFORE 250 A.D.

Cyprian (Second revised edition c. AD 256), De catholicae ecclesiae
unitate. (CSEL 3:215) The LORD says "I and the Father are one" and likewise
**IT IS WRITTEN** of the Father and the Son and the Holy
Spirit. "And these three are one."

Cyprian is QUOTING scripture in 256 A.D. that (according to the
critics) didn't exist until the 16th century! What an amazing feat!

Regardless of how many *extant* Greek texts contain the verse, or how old
they are, the texts from BEFORE 250 A.D., that were actually USED (and worn
out) contained the verse.

******* ******* *******

THE OLDEST AND BEST MANUSCRIPT

The "London Times" reported the discovery of the OLDEST New Testament
manuscript remains. It is the Magdalen Papyrus, labeled p64.

Using a high-magnification device and the epifluorescent confocal laser
scanning technique, the fragment was dated at 66 AD! Many of the New
Testament ORIGINALS were not even written by 66 AD! You are not going to
find a manuscript portion of any kind much before then. Mark had just been
written (63 AD), Luke (68 AD) and John (85 AD) were not yet written.

Paparyologist Carston Theide dated the portion at 60-66 AD. Even his
detractors conceded a pre-200 AD date, which would still make it older than
the Alexandrian manuscripts.

The portion is from Matt 26:22, and as "fate" would have it, it's a
portion that differs between the Antioch line of the KJV and the
Alexandrian line of the modern versions.

The portion reads "hekastos auton" - "every one of them".

Mat 26:22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began *every one of them*
to say unto him, Lord, is it I?

The Alexandrian apostates read "heis hekastos" - "each one" or "one after
the other".

The REAL oldest and best manuscript supports the King James Bible!
145 posted on 08/06/2003 11:51:21 PM PDT by Con X-Poser
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To: Con X-Poser

One other thing you might want to mention is that the KJV is not copyrighted whereas all others are; to receive a copyright a printed book must be sufficiently different from the original so as to be a different work. So in the case of KJV and all others, what does it say about the new versions?


146 posted on 09/22/2009 9:58:39 PM PDT by Daganoweda
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