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Bishops warn Catholics about 'Left Behind' books ( Sunday Rapture Thread )
Chicago Sun-times ^ | June 6, 2003 | CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter

Posted on 06/08/2003 6:35:26 AM PDT by TaxRelief

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To: Simcha7
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61 posted on 06/08/2003 9:25:22 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (We are all God's children.)
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To: Matchett-PI
This thread promotes none of the views or all of the views. I personally believe that there will be no rapture until the very end of the Great Tribulation, but that God will give us the strength to stay strong through it.

The "pop-culture view of "the end times" as you call it, actually took off around 1780.

62 posted on 06/08/2003 9:25:53 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Conservative til I die
Doesn't this kind of obsessive tin-foil preoccupation with the end-times get in the way of the everyday part of being a Christian?

Actually, there is some mental and emotional preparation that must be done if we are going to be ready to deal with the difficulties that we will face when free speech is limited to PC speech, when all religion is considered unlawful and when families and people who believe in families are labeled "traditionalist nut-cases".

63 posted on 06/08/2003 9:35:09 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Aliska
Earth to bishops in Illinois: What about Medjugorje? What about Vassula? What about charismatics who are in your churches slaying people in the spirit?

The Catholic Church does not recognize Mejurorje (in fact, there have been some episcopal condemnations of these apparitions) or Vassula, and allows the charismatic movement so long as it does not challenge Church doctrine or authority.

"By their fruits you will know them." The only ones gaining anything from all this Rapture nonsense are those who are writing books about it and making television appearances.

I happen to think that Jesus' words about "harming the little ones" also apply to those "in the know" who lead the gullible astray.

There are no more insufferable people in the world than the "anointed" who know what's best for you and how you ought to live your life.

64 posted on 06/08/2003 9:36:18 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: TaxRelief
Too bad the index was abolished after Vatican 2. This is precisely why it was necessary.
65 posted on 06/08/2003 9:44:04 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: sinkspur
The church doesn't recognize Medjugorje and yet my last confessor believes in it? This is a nice priest who probably wouldn't do nasty things like some of them. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH ALL THIS? I can't stand deceptions, whether it is in the church or out of it. The bottom line is that they have destroyed my trust. If I can't trust them in little things, I cannot trust them in bigger things.

So what if the charismatic movement doesn't challenge church authority if it is in error.

I know you didn't mean to put it this way, but the message I have been getting is so long as it is a little deception and doesn't challenge church authority, it won't hurt anybody and even is good for the church.

66 posted on 06/08/2003 9:45:11 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: TaxRelief
"You will know neither the hour nor the day."
67 posted on 06/08/2003 9:49:14 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: sinkspur
The only ones gaining anything from all this Rapture nonsense

And there are plenty of priests writing books about other nonsense and getting money for it. Three days of darkness. Fire in the spirit. The antichrist. Some of it may be true. The point is, priests are trafficking in peoples' credulity, too, and making a lot of money with their books.

And I agree with you that it is very wrong to lead people astray. But some of them don't know they are leading people astray so they are invincibly (Sp?) ignorant and off the hook. According to catholic teaching.

I think it is a good thing when bishops try to straighten out catholics who tend to go astray and I don't mean to criticize them for doing well. It just seems like too little too late.

68 posted on 06/08/2003 9:52:44 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Salvation; Admin Moderator
Why did you have this thread kicked out of the main forum areas? Is church news not as "real" as secular news?
Why does this not come up on the main search?

Thank you.
69 posted on 06/08/2003 9:55:25 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: chicagolady
The Catholic Church does not dwell on the end times, nor do we believe in a so-called "Rapture" where believers will go en masse up to Heaven before the second coming of Jesus Christ.

We know not the hour or the day, but that every day must glorify God, we must repent our sins (not just once, but repeatedly) and constantly strive to live in accordance with the Commandments of God.

The Church believes, as outlined in the Catechism:

675. "Before Christ's SECOND COMING the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.[Cf. Lk 18:8 ; Mt 24:12 .] The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth[Cf. Lk 21:12 ; Jn 15:19-20 .] will unveil the 'mystery of iniquity' in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.[Cf. 2 Th 2:4-12 ; 1 Th 5:2-3 ; 2Jn 7 ; 1Jn 2:1 8, 22 .]"

After the Second Coming, everyone will have eternal life or eternal death

God bless.

70 posted on 06/08/2003 9:56:13 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: nmh
The Bible is problematic to Catholics since their teaching does not align with the Bible and God forbide we can't have them reading the Bible!

Catholic teaching does align with the Bible, and I'll elaborate further when I get back from Mass.

God bless.

71 posted on 06/08/2003 9:58:57 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Matchett-PI
Excellent post MPI..worthy of a save
72 posted on 06/08/2003 9:59:36 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: TaxRelief
Actually, there is some mental and emotional preparation that must be done if we are going to be ready to deal with the difficulties that we will face when free speech is limited to PC speech, when all religion is considered unlawful and when families and people who believe in families are labeled "traditionalist nut-cases".

I don't see this happening anytime soon.
73 posted on 06/08/2003 10:02:37 AM PDT by Conservative til I die (They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
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To: nmh
The Bible is problematic to Catholics since their teaching does not align with the Bible and God forbide we can't have them reading the Bible!

Look Ma! No brains!
74 posted on 06/08/2003 10:04:31 AM PDT by Conservative til I die (They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
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To: Gophack
"You will know neither the hour nor the day."

...of when "Heaven and earth shall pass away". But three sentences earlier, we are told, "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors..."

75 posted on 06/08/2003 10:08:02 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: verity
How close are we to the end times?

One second closer than before...

I found the Left Behind series tedious, poorly written and perhaps a bit of a distraction to doing God's work. I fear that some Christians are more worried about countdowns and predicting when the rapture will happen than doing our work on earth.

That being said, I know we are called to be aware, and alert, but that is not our primary calling.

76 posted on 06/08/2003 10:18:32 AM PDT by Gamecock (What was that noise?)
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To: Petruchio
Pan-Trib...

I like it, that's what I am but never knew the name!

77 posted on 06/08/2003 10:22:01 AM PDT by Gamecock (What was that noise?)
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To: Petruchio
"As I see it, there are 4 camps debateing this. Well, I don't agree with any of those positions, so I propose..."

Is it your usual MO to use strawman arguments and then disagree with your strawman? Hahahaha

78 posted on 06/08/2003 10:24:06 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Religious KOOKS = a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)
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To: Gophack
We have general agreement

Left behind is aweful Theology and worse literature, all it has done is make the LeHaye's wealthy in the here and now

That being said I do not believe in book bannings (for adults).

Instead of giving it the appearance of "forbidden fruit" and having some read it that never might have been interested before. The Bishop should have suggested a series of sermons or Bible studies on the book of Revelation and Daniel .That would have been an affirmative defense to the books.

Many years ago a pastor of a church that I was attending told the members not to buy a certain book. I nearly broke my neck to get out to get it on Monday. Of course the reason he did not want people to read it was not high minded (he was mentioned unfavorably in it)

My daughter and daughter in laws have read it..it is now a cultural marker like visiting Disney.

The bottom line is that good teaching from the pulpit will end specualtion.

79 posted on 06/08/2003 10:27:06 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Conservative til I die
I don't see this happening anytime soon.

Nobody saw the outright collapse of society's morality forty years ago, nor the near-total collapse of the Church along with it.

We are going to see things over the next forty years that the most wild-eyed of apocalpyticists would have thought too farfetched.

The End Times may not be around the corner, but I don't blame people for thinking that way.

80 posted on 06/08/2003 10:31:04 AM PDT by Loyalist (Keeper of the Schismatic Orc Ping List. Freepmail me if you want on or off it.)
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