Posted on 10/09/2023 5:40:05 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Bishops should not be constantly looking over their shoulders to see if they have run afoul of the Vatican for simply teaching the Faith. Instead they should be allowed to keep their eyes on their flocks, embracing their roles as shepherds.
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ANTI pope. This evil POS tool of satan is NOT the pope.
Agree. He is the imPopestor.
Oh, the ever evolving machinations of the Roman Catholic Church. Chock full of heresies of their own making, then at a loss on how to ‘adapt’ to the modern world. It is true that doctrine deepens, or becomes better understood over the centuries...which allows us now to see that the office of ‘pope’ was not established until long after Peter, and that teachings such as purgatory and dispensation of grace are unsupported in scripture.
If the ‘Church’ has such intimate knowledge of the scriptures, then why have they thwarted understanding of the bible at every turn? What of the vaunted ‘Magisterium’ at the Vatican, charged with interpreting scripture? Why have they only interpreted a handful of verses over the last thousand years?
Why am I surrounded by lost Catholics who have not the first idea about Salvation? Is it because they have been busy praying to Mary, reciting creeds, and thinking of infant baptism as a saving work? SHAMEFUL. SHAMEFUL, you false priests and teachers of the law. How many of your 1.2 billion adherents are being misled, and will probably go to hell?
Come to Christ. Read your bible. It is not by faith + works that we are saved, as you have wrongly taught throughout the centuries. It is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
Read James chapter 2 to find out exact how far you’ve strayed from the truth. The only time the Bible uses the phrase “saved by faith alone,” it’s preceded by the word “not”. That’s why Mr Sola Scriptura himself, Martin Luther, thought that James should be removed from the Bible. That way, he could thump his chest about “sola scriptura” while getting rid of the “scriptura” that didn’t agree with his ideas.
IF you have faith, you will have works demonstrating that faith, else it is dead. The Apostles had faith but they didn’t stay at home smug in it. If a person is saved they will do for others and let their light shine so others will want to be around them. Works do not save but they are the result of being saved.
Yep
Exactly correct
Another self important fool on FR who thinks he knows everything about God.
Oh I’m quite familiar with James 2, which the RCC uses as false justification for a works-based faith. “Are you sure you will go to heaven when you die?” “Well, only if I have completed enough sacraments, then hopefully so.” That is hogwash, unsupported in sola-scriptura. Sorry that church traditions and teachings are NOT co-equal to scripture, as some would like them to be.
As others have stated here, works are the result of faith. Evidence OF that faith, plain for all to see. But works salvation is leading people straight to hell. It is a dangerous theology, and many false teachers will have to answer for it. Dont be one of those.
Matthew 16:23
Mark 8:33
Sounds like all you read is one side, for Luther said a lot including opinionated hyperbole, and what Luther also said includes:
faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit...
Faith cannot help doing good works constantly... if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit... where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith.. where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both.
if obedience and God's commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil's own doings, although it were even so great a work as to raise the dead... if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk.
Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation... “This is why St. Luke and St. James have so much to say about works, so that one says: Yes, I will now believe, and then he goes and fabricates for himself a fictitious delusion, which hovers only on the lips as the foam on the water. No, no; faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit and wholly and completely converts him. It goes to the foundation and there accomplishes a renewal of the entire man; so, if I have previously seen a sinner, I now see in his changed conduct, manner and life, that he believes. So high and great a thing is faith.”...
faith casts itself on God, and breaks forth and becomes certain through its works... faith must be exercised, worked and polished; be purified by fire...
it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present...
where the works are absent, there is also no Christ... References and more by God's grace. http://peacebyjesus.net/Reformation_faith_works.html
And it has been evangelical believers who have testified to more commitment and unity in basic Truths than those whom Rome manifestly considers to be members. As for James, see here on Luther's "Epistle of Straw" Comment and here on Luther on the Book of James...Revisted. And in Historia ecclesiae 2.23.25, Eusebius classes James among the Antilegomena or disputed works, stating "it is to be observed that it is disputed; at least, not many of the ancients have mentioned it, as is the case likewise with the epistle that bears the name of Jude, which is also one of the seven so-called catholic epistles. Nevertheless we know that these also, with the rest, have been read publicly in very many churches." (Historia ecclessiae 3.23.25)
Also, the Roman Catholic writer Joseph A. Fitzmyer points out that Luther was not the only one to translate Romans 3:28 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] with the word “alone.” See here.
Moreover, scholarly disagreements over the canonicity (proper) of certain books continued down through the centuries and right into Trent, until it provided the first "infallible," indisputable canon in 1546. RC scholars also while a general consensus was confirmed earlier, the , and contrary to "Catholic Answers" propaganda, scholarly disagreements over the canonicity (proper) of certain books continued down through the centuries and right into Trent, until it provided the first "infallible," indisputable canon in 1546. Thus there was no "infallible" canon of Scripture for RCs until after the death of Luther, and contrary to "Catholic Answers" propaganda, Who, as with other scholars, had freedom to question the canonical status of certain books, and which was not a charge against him. Read here.
Actually it is understood that those who quickly died after receiving Christ's holy Baptism, thus being made inwardly just and formally justified, would directly go to heaven. However, since the baptized soon realizes that he not all that holy inside, and it becomes apparent they were in need of further purification, then unless at the time of death such has once again become good enough for a direct flight into the presence of God, and if such needs to make no more atonements for sins, then after death such must make further expiation and undergo purification via RC Purgatory with its purifying punishments, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
Which is what many RCs depend on, a play now, pay later delusion.
In contrast to which false gospel is that of Scriptural gospel, that of penitent, heart-purifying, regenerating, effectual faith, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9) being what is imputed for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) and is shown in baptism and following the Lord, (Acts 2:38-47; Jn. 10:27, 28) who was sent by the Father to be the savior of the world. (1 John 4:14)
And those who come to God with this faith are those who the Spirit of God thus spiritually baptized into the body of Christ, the church. (1 Cor. 12:13) And by which faith the redeemed soul is "accepted in the Beloved" and positionally seated with Him in Heaven, on His account, glory to God. (Ephesians 1:6; 2:6; cf. Phil. 3:21)
And those who die in that obedient faith will go to be forever with Him at death or His return (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) In contrast to those who were never born of the Spirit or who terminally fall away. (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39)
And you do?
Or are you just projecting?
So, here are the places where the phrase is used:
1. ESV - No, it's not there
2. ASV - No, it's not there.
3. CWSB - No, it's not there.
4. HCSB - No, it's not there
5. ISV - No, it's not there
6. KJV - No, it's not there
7. NET - No, it's not there
8. NASB - No, it's not there
9. NIV - No, it's not there
10. NIV '84 - No, it's not there
11. NKJV - No, it's not there
12. NLT - No, it's not there
13. RV - No, it's not there
14. YLT - No, it's not there
So, WHERE did you see it written? Huh?
I DID find this:
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10
Have you ever read THAT before? Huh!?
Or, have you ever read THIS:
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Galatians 3:1-3
I'd like to hear your response...and Don't change the subject. Words have meaning. Your words need to be defended. Get with it.
Law keeping is useless because it cannot produce the righteousness God requires of us.
Jesus told us that unless our righteousness exceeded that of the pharisees, we would not see heaven.
We know that the pharisees could actually keep the letter of the Law, but Jesus raised the bar even higher, far higher, well out of man's reach, in the Beatitudes. It not only addressed the actions, it addressed the intent and the heart, and NOBODY has the kind of purity to do any works from pure enough motivation to satisfy the righteousness of God.
Our very beings are tainted and corrupted by sin, so any works we do also are. That's why our works could never qualify to save, if works were the means of salvation.
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