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Doctrine Chief Hints at Scrapping Celibacy for Priests
Church Militant ^ | July 13, 2023 | Jules Gomes

Posted on 07/13/2023 6:23:37 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Texas_Guy
Saw this after I posted.
So didnt see your "bind and loose" comment before my post.
Didn't mean to copy-cat you on that.
Definitely on the same page for sure.


41 posted on 07/15/2023 4:51:44 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”)
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To: BipolarBob
Notice the wording "made themselves" (of their own volition)
and the words "let him" (not force him and not require him).


You just don't understand this calling to the Church.
I dont think you realize how one decides on a Religious vocation in the Church.
Not all, but most religious orders are entered into through Vows made by the person committing their life to God-
exactly- by THEIR OWN VOLITION.
No one is forced to become a Priest. To become a special servant to God in this capacity requires the Priest to be
detached from ordinary, worldly life and pick up their Cross
to follow and die for Christ.
Yes, accepting the Priesthood does open one up to be Martyred.
Its just how it is.
(Also, the Catholic religious life is not to be considered similar- or on the same level-
as with non-Catholic preachers and Pastors who make a living out of it.
Marriage for a Priest is just not a practical option-
and would degrade the sacrament of Marriage to a simple convenience.
One cannot serve two masters...lol )

These Vows they take- are NOT forced on them,
they accept them as part of their new consecrated life.
Vows of Celibacy, Poverty- and OBEDIENCE are assumed for a service of God.
And Not to be viewed as a hardship or burden.

But understand God never required it.

Youre back to a non-existent argument of your own making.
THE CHURCH does not say God "required it".
The Church does not say celibate priests are required by the Bible.
These are assumptions on your part- al
which you are falsely assigning to the Church.
The Church does say the Celibate religious life is
done for the "sake of the Kingdom of Heaven."
Not married priests- but celibate ones- ones Christ has specifically desired-
ones who answer that highest calling.
Anything less than that is just that.


42 posted on 07/15/2023 7:48:48 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”)
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To: MurphsLaw

Bravo! You give a vigorous defense of the Catholic beliefs. They would be very appealing to those searching for God and His Truth. Unfortunately they would be deceived if they were ignorant of the Bible and its teachings. “There are ways which seem right to a man, but in the end, it leads to destruction.” Prov. 14:12
What did Jesus do when confronted with temptation (as He was when on the mountain famished and dehydrated)? He met it with “It is written” That’s right, even He would not be betrayed by His senses but trusted in the Word of God.
Did Jesus REQUIRE a vow of anything before He sent the Apostles out like sheep amongst the wolves to preach the Gospel? No record of it. Did He require them to go to a four year seminary to be groomed? Nope.
So what does the Bible tell us of these denominations who do NOT follow His Commandments (9 out of 10 don’t cut it)? Glad you asked.
4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
That sounds like a pretty strong condemnation of Catholicism to me. YMMV


43 posted on 07/16/2023 12:44:51 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I called the Tinnitus Helpline and all I heard was ringing.)
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To: BipolarBob

First Timothy Chapter Four: 1-5.


44 posted on 07/16/2023 1:04:33 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I called the Tinnitus Helpline and all I heard was ringing.)
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To: BipolarBob
Bob,
Would Christ have a problem with Celibate Priests?

So why do you ?


45 posted on 07/16/2023 3:01:15 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("I consider the sufferings of this present time are nothing compared with the glory to be revealed")
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To: MurphsLaw
He would have a problem forbidding priests and preachers from marrying in order for them to spread the gospel. God should be the one making the rules for His Church and His priests. Marriage preference should be between the individual and God with no outside interference.
As I've said before, your club can make whatever rules they want. Rules that usurp Gods authority means that your Pope/denomination equates itself to Gods authority. That's not a safe place to be.
46 posted on 07/16/2023 3:20:31 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I called the Tinnitus Helpline and all I heard was ringing.)
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To: BipolarBob
Bob,
You've now entered the word "forbidden" into the conversation that has no place here.
You're trying to push a non- existent reality again.
NO ONE is forbidden to be able to marry...
Do you still not get the vows a Priest must make?-
with one of those vows being an obedience given to the Church?
NO ONE IS FORCED to become a Priest.
If a celibate life is not for them- they can choosd not to become a Catholic Priest-
but maybe become a preacher or minister.
The Priest wants to follow Christ in a celibate lifestyle.
CHRIST IS OK WITH THAT becausd it BECOMES A CHOICE a man will mske- or not.
If he does choose celibacy-
He does so for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven.
As Christ did....
or do believe Christ was not celibate?
Or if so, do you think Jesus was wrong to be celibate?


47 posted on 07/16/2023 6:36:28 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("I consider the sufferings of this present time are nothing compared with the glory to be revealed")
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To: MurphsLaw
Do you still not get the vows a Priest must make?-

I guess I don't. Who made this requirement? Not God.

CHRIST IS OK WITH THAT

I'm not sure of your source for that information. I believe He would have a BIG problem with many Catholic practices and the celibacy requirement being just one of the many. I will not get into other regions of non-Biblical lines outside of this threads topic. I will leave it at that if one wants to be a Catholic priest, he is required to take a vow of celibacy and owe allegiance to the RCC. This vow would effectively forbid him to marry. You can dance around it all you want but forcing a vow in order to serve God doesn't fit in with the Bibles narrative and sets a precedent that is un-Biblical.

Every time I hear of a priest molesting children or caught having homo sex orgies, I cannot help but think there should some kind of reform and I don't think your Pope is that interested in any kind of reform. It looks like, if anything, your church is headed towards welcoming the LBGQT+ crowd. I hope I'm wrong on that. YMMV

48 posted on 07/16/2023 7:15:39 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I called the Tinnitus Helpline and all I heard was ringing.)
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