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The Dangerous Return To Amillennialism By Many Church Leaders
PNW ^ | 7/8/21 | Jonathan Brentner

Posted on 07/08/2021 8:37:10 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

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1 posted on 07/08/2021 8:37:10 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; Mrs.Z; ConjunctionJunction; Library Lady; patriot torch; Califreak; mlizzy; ...

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2 posted on 07/08/2021 8:43:07 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

It is interesting that the word assembly (church) is used only 3 times in 2 verses in the four gospel accounts (once in Matt 16:18 and twice in Matt 18:17). The church is not mentioned in any of the upper room narratives. It is hard to believe that an intelligent God could have his prophets say Israel when He really means Church.

If one takes all of the words of the Bible seriously then it is difficult to see how one can be an A-Mill.


3 posted on 07/08/2021 8:48:25 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: fatboy

Rightly dividing the Bible is a hard artform to achieve, but the diligent student will know how do to so with the Holy Spirit’s guidance.

Your point is well taken with Matthew 16:18 as well.
Satan cannot overcome the Church.

Strong’s Concordance
ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see’-ah)
Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Usage: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.

https://biblehub.com/greek/1577.htm


4 posted on 07/08/2021 8:58:11 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Here's an excerpt from Revelation, 17:6-12. Even that text says that some of the signs are allegorical symbols. To say that all prophecy in the Bible is literal is to say that John wrote down at least parts of Revelation incorrectly. LOL


6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.


When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.


9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.


12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.

5 posted on 07/08/2021 9:09:40 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
"the biblical promise of Jesus' millennial reign before the eternal state"

Often mistaken for "heaven on earth", which is NOT the prophecy.

6 posted on 07/08/2021 9:21:04 AM PDT by G Larry (Force the Universities to use their TAX FREE ENDOWMENTS to pay off Student loan debt!!!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Oh, teh horrors! Won't someone please think of the children!

Anyways, this

At the beginning of the fifth century AD, a much more capable theologian named Augustine utilized Origen's allegorical approach to biblical prophecy and steered the church away from its premillennial footing in favor of amillennialism. During the dark ages, theologians extended Augustine's allegorization of prophetic texts to passages in the New Testament, which led to the contamination of the doctrine of justification by faith.

tells me the writer probably hasn't actually read Augustine.

7 posted on 07/08/2021 9:29:15 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever" Isaiah 25)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Interesting post! Thanks.


8 posted on 07/08/2021 9:34:28 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: Lee N. Field

Augustine pretty much got everything wrong and nobody that takes the Bible seriously takes his writings to heart.

With all of the activity in the ME right now it’s just a matter of time before Ezekiel 38/39 happens and it’s going to really make you amillennialists go back to your drawing board on eschatology.


9 posted on 07/08/2021 9:38:46 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Tell It Right

“To say that all prophecy in the Bible is literal...”

Nobody actually says that, so you’re arguing against a straw man.


10 posted on 07/08/2021 9:38:58 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I have dear friends who are “Sovereign Grace” and they have all either gone to this or are on their way. In these people, I cannot generalize for everyone else, but in these people it is important in every sermon and in every Bible story to find another illustration of an aspect of TULIP Calvinism. Since the very offer of salvation in scripture is not a real offer, but a theoretical or hypothetical one, then it is a short journey to find other things that can be allegorized.

I was raised Presbyterian and became a Baptist at Bible College.


11 posted on 07/08/2021 10:00:45 AM PDT by BDParrish (God called, He said He'd take you back!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

When talking to an A-mill brother, one of my first questions is to ask how much he has studied the 17 OT prophetic books. So far, the answer is always little to none.

Respectfully, the brothers are lazy students of scripture.


12 posted on 07/08/2021 10:03:08 AM PDT by lurk ( )
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To: Tell It Right
To say that all prophecy in the Bible is literal is to say that John wrote down at least parts of Revelation incorrectly. LOL

Who aside from perhaps technical writers doesn't use allegory and symbolism?

13 posted on 07/08/2021 10:11:17 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

This article points out the human tendency to allegorize passages that they are uncomfortable with.

I’ll have to read the rest later.


14 posted on 07/08/2021 10:15:58 AM PDT by Kevmo (some things may be true even if Donald Trump said them. ~Jonathan Karl)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The thinking among covenant A-Mils is since there is allegory in some verses of prophecy, they can freely call any other prophecy allegory if their theology requires it. And it does require it in excess.

Hence being a pre-trib pre-mil where you take the Scriptures at face value and on faith it is the A-Mils duty to make fun of those of us simpletons simply trusting in the Word of God.


15 posted on 07/08/2021 10:43:35 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Augustine pretty much got everything wrong and nobody that takes the Bible seriously takes his writings to heart.

OK, stay ignorant.

16 posted on 07/08/2021 11:31:12 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever" Isaiah 25)
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To: Lee N. Field

At least try to read the OT.
Your boat will never float.


17 posted on 07/08/2021 12:25:33 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: lurk

They are and it’s a sad and pathetic excuse.
Folks believe what they want to.


18 posted on 07/08/2021 12:26:28 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: fatboy

Rightly dividing Scripture is extremely important for the studious Christian.

A-Mils don’t place much value on faith.

To The Lord, it means everything.


19 posted on 07/08/2021 3:48:47 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Not an A-mil myself, but the A-mils I know place a lot of value on faith.


20 posted on 07/08/2021 5:22:05 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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