Posted on 02/02/2021 9:56:12 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
What I am not, is I am not a false teacher and false prophet.
You addressed not even one scripture God wrote and I posted to you. Lazy and rude, snared by ‘Left Behind’ heresy.
If you had scripture you would have replied with that instead of your dishonorable slurs flung at a Christian Pastor and teacher these last 37 years. You know not the Word God on this matter, ‘Left Behind’ is not of God, read scripture instead it IS of God.
I will waste no more time with a rude nasty rooster. Some example of Christ you are.
Don’t know about you but the rest of us live here on earth. 😉
Rev 13: 7 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear:
10 If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.
Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
God’s Word states that for the last 3.5 years the saints of God ON EARTH are called to endure and live in faith to the Lord God as the beast wars against us who’s names have been written in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. God has purpose for us to remain here on earth, those of us who are prepared to endure by faith. Those who are not prepared fail the Lord believing a false deceptive teaching, a lie of father of lies...an escape heretical fantasy that doesn’t exist...that never comes and what do they do? How can they endure? How can they acquire the faith they never had to endure and serve the Lord? They thought oh I’ll just escape. Christianity isn’t about escaping as taught in many ways by a lot of misguided men, teaching escaping most everything Christ teaches to endure and grow in faith by.
So yes other than God’s elect who’s bodies have already died and their spirits are with God in heaven before the beast of satan is allowed by God to exercise authority on earth, those of us who are in Jesus Christ still here on earth (His church) will be exposed to satan the dragon, and the antichrist beast here ON EARTH, both beasts.
And again in Rev 14: The saints are called to endure and they are blessed in dying as they labor here in earth. They have a purpose ordained by God in those last 3.5 years of The Tribulation on earth, they labor for God to the lost and foolish who thought they would escape The Tribulation.
No new resurrected body yet for they can die and some, maybe many of them saints do die, but they are blessed as they had faith and endured and were used by God in those days (3.5 years). They loved not their lives even unto death but overcame by the word of their testimony and the blood of the Lamb. Who did they overcome? Satan and his warring against them.
Then the Lord returns with his cloud of witnesses, the saints from heaven and we all, his elect get new resurrected bodies for....a new reign on earth, Jesus reign for a 1000 years which starts with satan and demons being bound in chains. The Bride of Christ is married to the Lord Jesus. One bride, one Lord, one marriage, one marriage feast. No two returns or two brides or two marriage feasts and no resurrected bodies swept into heaven to escape The Tribulation, God’s elect in heaven are in spirit form only, other than Enoch and Elijah and of course Jesus. Our new resurrected bodies are for earth and eternity.
12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!
Are you prepared Roman? Be faithful to scripture not the teaching of men who always look how to escape suffering and faith. Romans 8: 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs — heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. Will you be glorified with Jesus? Do not faint or shrink back, endure with prepared and tested faith trusting the Lord in great tribulation that is coming.
Lord bless us with ears to hear Your Word that does not change because someone sold some heretical books and movies.
The Letters to the churches, the Ekklesia found in those seven cities are so full of 'message', at three levels: the immediate body of believers in real existing churches at the time Jesus dictated the letters; a message to periods of the developing spread of Christianity; and individually, for each reader of the Revelation.
In any given epoch since the birthing of the Body of Christ made up of all Believers since Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost, there can be found representations of all seven exemplars. Within most any Body of Christ gathering of Believers the state of those seven churches in Asia Minor at the time the Revelation was given are represented.
The 24 Elders of Rev 4 and 5 represent The Body of Christ Believers:
+ They are crowned (Rev 3:20 and 4:22)
+ They are resurrected (Rev 4:4)
+ They are clothed in the White of The Redeemed in(Rev 3:5)
+ They are globally derived, (Rev 6:8; Matthew 28:19)
+ They are Redeemed (Rev 5:8-10)
+ They are Elders (Rev 1; Timothy 3:1-7; 1st Peter 5:1)
+ The 24 Elders are a Category Identity, just a the 24 represented entire families from whom the serving Temple priests were drawn, found in 1st Chronicles 24.
Revelation 5 has The Body of Believers / Body of Christ IN HEAVEN as The Lamb takes the seven sealed scroll to open it and launch the Tribulation / Time of Jacob's Trouble. The seven years of Tribulation are focused upon Israel yet are a testing for the whole world, the world of non-believers left here after THE BELIEVRS who are The Body of Christ since the Day of Pentecost preaching by Peter.
The Ekklesia made up of ALL Believers in Christ as Redeemer is a parenthetical epoch not involving Israel, for during the Church Age there is no differentiation between Jew and Gentile.
All seven lampstands of the seven Asian Minor churches are in Heaven in the Revelation scenes.
From chapter six onward to chapter twenty of the Revelation the church is not mentioned, yet it is given 19 times in the first three chapters and is seen On Earth.
The seventieth week of Daniel's Prophecy regarding ISRAEL has zero mention of The Ekklesia of Jews and Gentiles. To find God's message to the Ekklesia / Church we must look in The New Testament. The Church was a mystery opened to us in the New Testament.
You want passages from The Word of God? There you have a few to look at. What you appear to have such an ego need for is validation of your decades indulged in improper understanding of The Word of God, like the cults cultivate.
And just so you might recognize it, your posts responding to me are easily as rude as you accuse of me. You want an argument, I want folks to see more clearly what is coming, soon.
The great Departure (the word used to translate the Greek 'apostasia' in the first several English translations prior to the Douey Rheims Bible and the King James) that Departure / Rapture will happen even before the hour of testing coming upon the whole Earth and specifically in Israel (Rev 3:10). The text says so but you have ignored it to claim it refers to Hell:
Rev 3:10 Because you have kept [a]My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
BTW, I really like the ‘Affordable Plumbing Act’ analogy at your profile page.
Your threads lingers on ...
You knocked it out of the ballpark, MHG. Your post sheds light for those who don’t fully understand WHAT the Church is and how it came to be. It is a one-time, unique creation of God Almighty hidden in ages past, per His Word. That is a huge point for me because no one can understand God’s plan without knowing to whom the Scriptures speak at particular times. Conflating the Church with Israel is folly and creates contradictions in God’s Word which aren’t there when the Church is placed correctly.
I’m keeping your post!
Thanks Bro!
Great post also BTW.
I never understood the itch some Christians have to ‘prove’ their faith to God as if we can through torture and misery?
Do they want to be “Earth Dwellers”?
Luke 21:35
Revelation 13:14
Revelation 3:10
Revelation 8:13
Revelation 13:8
Revelation 17:8
I see some still want to ride out the Tribulation as well.
Guess they’ll be disappointed when the appointed time comes?
Yeah I don’t buy your theories or interpretation of the foretold events.
See you in the clouds - whether you want to go or not when the times comes.
Perhaps it’s just me, but this verse seems to answer a lot of questions:
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Do you think the Church is in this verse, free?
Here’s something from that section of Revelation that may help.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Revelation-chapter-12.html
I personally do not believe the Church is mentioned here, but rather Israel.
Amen. As do I, Roman.
It is about the Tribulation Saints, the 144,000 Jewish virgins who are spreading the testimony of Jesus as Messiah during the Tribulation AND all the Saints who call upon the Lord Jesus during the Tribulation. The woman is Israel and the Testimony of Jesus is why 1/3 of Israel are saved during the Tribulation and go into the Millennial Kingdom to repopulate.
The Tribulation Saints are no more The Church than the Old Testament Saints like Abraham and Moses. Thank you for posting this thread, Roman. And thank you Southern Claire for your cogent post from the Revelation.
Ah, but aw your recommended verses show, God wants us COMFORTED by the knowledge that we are not appointed to the time of the wrath because He has appointed our Departure beforehand. Now THAT is comforting, eh?
If we cannot take comfort in The Lord & His words then what can we take comfort in?
Revelation 3:10 is our literal departure verse.
Yup, a priceless Promise.
When and where does the marriage take place?
Naw...Hell is not to come...It's already here...Been here for a long time...And the bible describes the wrath upon the earth...
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