Posted on 06/26/2020 1:38:34 PM PDT by JAG 5000
JAG 5000 Writes:
Man's Free Will is responsible for all the evil in the would.
God created a perfect world.
God created perfect human beings.
God gave human beings a Free Will.
Human beings used their Free Will to choose to do evil.
Human beings choosing to do evil is the reason we have natural disasters and evil in the world-- and the reason we have The Curse upon the Earth.
Many atheists blame the God of the Bible for all the natural disasters and all the evil in the world.
You may ask, "How can atheists blame the God of the Bible for evil when atheists do not believe that God exists?
Answer: They postulate that "if God does exist" then He is evil because the Bible presents God as being Omnipotent {all powerful} and therefore He could have created a world without any evil if He had wanted to do that. He did not want to do that, therefore He is evil.
So? So there are many atheists who have said that the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible for all the evil in the world.
What does that mean? Well again atheists do not believe that God exists but, for the sake of argument, they say that if the God of the Bible does exist, then He is responsible for all the evil in the world because He is Omnipotent and could have designed a world without evil.
I just recently read a lengthy thread on another forum where an atheist and many of his fellow atheists blamed the God of the Bible for inflicting the COVID-19 virus on humanity.
Yes, sure! Again, I know that atheists do NOT believe that God exists. But they, for arguments sake, argue against the God of the Bible and say that "if He does exist", He would be evil because He could prevent evil, but chooses NOT to prevent it.
Has anyone read the books written by the infamous "New Atheists"? There are 4 of them. Their names are Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, and the late Christopher Hitchens.
The atheist Richard Dawkins is an especially vile talking atheist. Here is what the atheist Richard Dawkins said about the God of the Bible:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
Again, the "New Atheists" do not believe that God actually exists. But they say that "if He does exist" He is evil as I explained above. I keep repeating this because a large number of Internet posters endlessly state that "Atheists do not believe that God exists" as if we did not know that. We do know that.
Back to what some atheists have said about the God-That-Does-Not-Exist . . .
They have specifically and clearly and emphatically declared that the God of the Bible IS responsible for the evil in the world.
Stephen Fry, an atheist, has a video on You Tube, He was being interviewed and he was asked, 'What would you say to God when you die and find out that Christianity is actually true, and you are standing at the pearly gates?
Stephen Fry replied that he was going to ask God "Why he put bone cancer in children? God, What is that all about?", replied Stephen Fry.
Stephen Fry's video went viral and has become infamous on the Internet. You see it quoted and linked to quite often.
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Back to The Problem Of Evil . . .
Centuries ago Epicurus formulated The Problem Of Evil like this:
Sayeth Epicurus:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not Omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”__Epicurus
The Christian analytical philosopher Alvin Plantinga has a very good rebuttal to these "New Atheists" and to Epicurus.
Sayeth the Christian Alvin Plantinga:
{You will need to "deep read" what Plantinga says below and spend some time studying and seriously analyzing what Plantinga has written}
As Plantinga summarized his Free Will defense:[14]
"A world containing creatures who are significantly free (and freely perform more good than evil actions) is more valuable, all else being equal, than a world containing no free creatures at all. Now God can create free creatures, but He can't cause or determine them to do only what is right. For if He does so, then they aren't significantly free after all; they do not do what is right freely. To create creatures capable of moral good, therefore, He must create creatures capable of moral evil; and He can't give these creatures the freedom to perform evil and at the same time prevent them from doing so. As it turned out, sadly enough, some of the free creatures God created went wrong in the exercise of their freedom; this is the source of moral evil. The fact that free creatures sometimes go wrong, however, counts neither against God's omnipotence nor against His goodness; for He could have forestalled the occurrence of moral evil only by removing the possibility of moral good."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_...urther_details
End quote.
The "New Atheists" do not correctly understand the Biblical doctrine of the Omnipotence {all-powerful} of God.
Epicurus did not correctly understand the Christian doctrine of God's Omnipotence. God's Omnipotence does not mean that He can do anything. God cannot create square circles. God cannot make 2 + 2 = 7. God cannot give humans the Free Will to do evil and at the same time prevent humans from doing evil.
The fatal flaw in Epicurus is he misunderstood the Christian doctrine of the Omnipotence of the God of the Bible.
Conclusion: Mankind, NOT God, is the cause of sin, evil, and natural disasters in the world.
He put us down here and basically said: Go for it. Then sent his son centuries later to straighten out the mess only for it to happen again. He’ll sort them out later.
We also need to distinguish between tragedy and malevolence. Earthquakes are not evil, nor is bone-cancer. These are tragic. These are the conditions for all creatures on this plane of existence here Earth. Of course we are not judged by these events (although we are for our reactions to them).
Malevolence is evil, and belongs to man - his imaginations, his thoughts, his behaviors and his actions.
“He’ll sort them out later.”
Sometimes (especially lately) I wonder what’s taking him so long.
No. George Soros is responsible.
The Opening Post ends with this statement:
“Conclusion: Mankind, NOT God, is the cause
of sin, evil, and natural disasters in the world.”___JAG
Note the key word “AND.”
In other words:
{1} Sin & Evil
“AND”
{2} Natural Disasters.
So?
So {1} and {2} are NOT the same.
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However Sin entered the race due to man’s Free Will choice to Sin.
Sin caused The Curse upon mankind.
The Curse upon mankind caused such as bone cancer.
Sin caused The Curse upon the Earth.
The Curse upon the Earth caused Natural Disasters
such as Earthquakes, Hurricanes, etc
Wants to ensure as many as possible are in his camp before closing the gate; then all H3LL will break out - literally.
“No. George Soros is responsible.”___Froggy
Heh heh, Georgie is quite a guy!
He owns 3/4 of the World, don’t he.
Georgie is getting old too.
Born August 12, 1930 Age 89
Georgie will soon have most of his questions about the “afterlife” answered.
In the end, if there is a God, and he is almighty, and he created everything... then the buck stops there and yes, he’s responsible for everything. I mean, is he in charge, or isn’t he?
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Stephen Fry ?
Who lets some leftist atheist actor be quoted asan authority on anything ??
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Attention Whoring looking for a new gig?
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I heard it asked as i’m certain others have heard a somewhat rhetorical ‘trap’ question by someone who wants to try and mock your beliefs. The age old question
“WHY IS THERE SUFFERING IN THE WORLD”
The response i considered is the same as what Jesus gave to the mocking pharisees. John 9:2-3
“It was not because of his sins or his parents’ sins,” Jesus answered. “This happened so the power of God could be seen in him.”
It is the same response. There is suffering in the world so that the power of gods people can be seen in them.
I dont know how effective a response that would be. But it works for me.
For I am the Lord thy God I created the good and the evil”
God allows it.
God doesn’t allow it.
This is Man’s world, and man chose the ways of the world over God’s world. It is our world, our domain. God created us and gave us free will. This earth is the result of our free will.
God is in charge, but he has given man reign of the earth until he’s had enough and sends Jesus back in the final days.
All that happens here is Man’s choosing, and man chose to embrace the ways of Satan on this earth.
If you’re curious, you can read the very last book of the Bible, Revelations. It’s only a read of a couple hours or so, and it will answer many of your questions about this earth and where it is headed.
When Soros dies, he has an army of evil to continue his work. The work is truly that of Satan.
Of course He does. Read Job sometime, and pay attention to what He allows Satan to do and not do (and compare that to the direct acts God takes toward Job).
Also, consider a few things:
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all...”
I love these guys who can’t put the stars in the sky, separate the firmament from the waves create Time and place everything in it but nonetheless think that THEY are more moral than God.
“In the end, if there is a God, and he is almighty, and he created everything... then the buck stops there and yes, he’s responsible for everything. I mean, is he in charge, or isn’t he.”__A Perfect Lady
In other words you have zero intention of actually reading
my Opening Post and coming to grips with it.
That’s cool. This is the Internet. Party on!
Not me.
Stephen Fry was quoted not as an authority, but as
someone who was WRONG.
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