Posted on 11/26/2019 9:00:24 AM PST by Salvation
Catholic means “universal”. So yeah, we are all “catholics”. :)
Nope. I’m Lutheran. ;-D
Isn’t sola scriptura great?
The Greek, which has no punctuation is not of help here but grammatically it make the best sense that the comma be place before "Today." and not after it.
Given that the contrite criminal asked that the Lord would remember him for a future salvation, with "when thou comest into thy kingdom," then it makes most sense to emphasize that "To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
And which makes sense in the light of a larger scenario. In which while sins were forgiven even before the perfect propitiation of Christ, yet this was done under the rubric of the coming atonement, and which was necessary
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. (Hebrews 10:4)
Thus
the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: (Hebrews 9:8)
Thus OT believers could not actually enter in the holy of holies, yet neither were they with the lost and suffering in bondage. For in the true story (real names are not used in parables, nor was science fiction used by the Lord, which would be the case if this was not true, but instead, known physical realities were used which corresponded to real spiritual realities) of Lazarus and the Rich Man. In which Lazarus is comforted in a separate compartment of Hades, Abraham’s bosom (AKA Paradise) while the once-complacent uncaring rich man is tormented in the flames of Hell:
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. (Luke 16:22-24)
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. (Luke 16:26)
However, the death and resurrection of Christ changed the reality of the believers, whereby brethren have boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh." (Hebrews 10:19-20)
And thus,
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) (Ephesians 4:8-10)
Therefore the Lord could tell the contrite believing criminal,
Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43)
Put all together, when Christ died then having provided the perfect atonement, then the way into the holiest of Heaven was opened, and the Lord who has the keys of Hell and of Death, descended into Hell, delivering those believers, and taking them to glory. Thus,
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. (Matthew 27:50-53)
However, Christ also used His key to preach to the disobedient,
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:19-20)
These were not saved souls, nor does 1 Peter 4:6 (For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit) necessarily say that Christ preached them so that they may be saved, rather than referring having preached to them who are now dead, so that they may live. The rich man in Hades was not given a second chance, nor is this really something that is taught.
And what could be preached to the damned disobedient souls would be that by rejecting Noah then they in essence were rejecting Christ. Likewise those who have never heard the gospel are justly damned for rejecting whatever degree of grace and light they had, which is essence is rejecting "the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." (John 1:9)
Pithy and profound aphorism. However, it is basically not original with G.K. Chesterton (29 May 1874 – 14 June 1936)
One thief was saved, that no man need despair, And but one thief, that no one might presume is ascribed to Henry Delaune of 1657 as part of a poem
Yet a similar form of this may go back even further.
Thanks, but I clarified the point I was driving at in post 17.
And Scripture came before the NT church (and even longer before the RCC) began upon its doctrinal and prophetic foundation.
In addition, if being the instruments, discerners and stewards of Holy Writ means that such are the perpetually infallible authorities on it, then you have invalidated the NT church, and much more Catholicism.
All other churches were founded by mere men.
And so you have yours, for while a church can be founded/planted by men (as Paul did), no true church is founded upon man, but upon Scriptural faith, which Catholicism is critically contrary to, and is the most manifest deformation of the NT church . Whose distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, especially Acts thru Revelation. and which best shows how the NT church understood the OT and gospels).
“ Remember that the Church that Christ founded, the Catholic Church, came before the Bible.”
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New day, same error in your post salvation.
2/3 of Scripture was written before Christ’s incarnation.
“ All other churches were founded by mere men.”
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Second, repeated error.
All churches comprised of true believers are directly from Christ, without 1500 years of syncretic paganism mixed in.
All “churches”, regardless of when they began, that become worldly institutions, having abandoned the Gospel of Christ, are no longer His.
Just read the opening chapters of Revelation and you will see their removal. They still hold services, but they are no longer His churches.
Which one are you?
I'm the kinda guy that fails to find the REASON mentioned anywhere in Scripture.; therefore assigning MEANING to the location would work just as well if He were on the left or the right of them.
Bingo!
Remember that the Protestants, that found the Catholic Church doing SO much wrong, came AFTER the Bible was available to the masses to read.
Christ did a mighty POOR job with them seven churches in Asia the John was told, by an angel, to write to.
So much for 'Catholic' purity!
(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)
| 1 | Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces. |
| 2. | I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. |
| 3. | The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies |
| 4. | It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. |
| 5. | The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. |
| 6. | Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life. |
| 7. | Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church. |
| 8. | Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise. |
| 9. | I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. |
| 10. | The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven. |
| 11. | You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary. |
| 12. | All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. |
| 13. | I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death |
| 14. | All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. |
| 15. | Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. |
"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,
no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.
There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."
Sister Lucia dos Santos
Oh the excuses that Catholics come up with to ignore the actual words of Jesus and the Apostles.
Sad.
IF you were to read the ECFs you’d see the appeal to Scripture as to the traditions handed down from the apostles.
Early church father.
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