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Why Evangelicals Should Rethink Embrace of Contraception, Part One
The Stream ^ | Jul 2018 | Julie Roys

Posted on 11/24/2019 2:51:38 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: Campion
More contraception among Chistians means more Muslims.

The birth rates in Muslim countries are falling as fast as in the US.

21 posted on 11/24/2019 5:14:26 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Julie Roys is better known for her investigative reporting on financial and personal, or personnel, abuses in evangelical megachurches. She can fairly be said to have brought down James MacDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel, and nobody ever deserved it more.

I recommend her website with enthusiasm.


22 posted on 11/24/2019 5:19:57 PM PST by Tax-chick (Tomado de la mano, yo voy con Cristo a donde El va!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Let's see....hit piece #3 from you today.

Now, let's shed some light on the topic.

Roman Catholics practice birth control through the NFP.

23 posted on 11/24/2019 5:25:39 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Campion
More contraception among Chistians means more Muslims. Stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Europe is turning Muslim because the non-Muslims have 1.2 children per woman.

Bingo.

It takes 2.1 children to replace a couple (to adjust for the mortality rate).

This area is where Westerners suddenly get stupid about math. We’ll have our two children (because that’s the number of children families have in television commercials and in print advertisements) and we’ll demand the government spending for our safety net, but we won’t provide the taxpayers who will pay for this safety net.

And then we’ll get upset when our Replacement Population doesn’t look like us or think like us.

24 posted on 11/24/2019 5:26:01 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: ealgeone
Roman Catholics practice birth control through the NFP.

There has to be a valid reason to use NFP; it would be a grave sin to use it simply to avoid having a child.

25 posted on 11/24/2019 5:33:04 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: Campion

Father Brian Kerr, co-founder of the Missionaries of the Poor, told me, “Keep it up! Don’t let the Muslims win!” when I was expecting my 10th child. He is one of 12 children born in Jamaica in the 1940s and 50s. His parents could manage but we can’t, not more than two?


26 posted on 11/24/2019 5:33:09 PM PST by Tax-chick (Tomado de la mano, yo voy con Cristo a donde El va!)
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To: Ransomed

You are correct. Quiverfull is trans-denominational.


27 posted on 11/24/2019 5:34:57 PM PST by Tax-chick (Tomado de la mano, yo voy con Cristo a donde El va!)
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To: Captain Walker
There has to be a valid reason to use NFP; it would be a grave sin to use it simply to avoid having a child.

NEWS FLASH: THIS IS WHY IT'S USED.

28 posted on 11/24/2019 5:35:58 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“Be fruitful and multiply”.
Or embrace blocking conception so you can be lazy...


29 posted on 11/24/2019 5:39:46 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

There are consequences to everything that we do, and we are seeing some of them due to contraception.

One of the consequences is a slowing birth rate. Programs like social security were created with the idea that there would be an ever growing population to pay for the care of elders. This is backfiring. I believe the consequence of a slowing birth rate is the reason politicians want an ever increasing amount of immigrants....legal and illegal to make up for it. And then the consequences of rampant immigration are...


30 posted on 11/24/2019 5:43:02 PM PST by xenia ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: Captain Walker
It takes 2.1 children to replace a couple (to adjust for the mortality rate). This area is where Westerners suddenly get stupid about math.

In the last 25 years Afghanistan's birth rate has been cut in half. How's that for math?

31 posted on 11/24/2019 6:01:18 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: ealgeone
That some Catholics use NFP simply to avoid conceiving a child (for the sake of conceiving a child), I have no doubt.

But the fact remains that this only allowed for limited and licit reasons; any other reason would be a grave sin.

(This is the Church’s teaching on the subject; and the beauty of the Catholic Church is that our opinion on this or any other subject is meaningless.)

32 posted on 11/24/2019 6:12:37 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: xenia
That’s exactly why the politicians want an increase in immigration.

Their constituents demand government spending, but they aren’t providing the taxpayers who will pay for the spending.

Realizing that the voters are talking out of both sides of their mouths, the politician comes up with his or her own solution.

33 posted on 11/24/2019 6:18:56 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: Captain Walker

Then I venture a whole lot of Roman Catholics are committing “mortal” sins.


34 posted on 11/24/2019 6:22:13 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: NorthstarMom

I had four, and if I could do it all again I would never use birth control, and I would home school them all.
Some people say “eight is enough”, I know four isn’t enough.


35 posted on 11/24/2019 6:25:25 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Poison Pill
I don’t know anything about Afghanistan’s birth rate.

Are you referring to this to dispute my math?

(Are you suggesting a couple may replace itself by having 2 or fewer children? That no adjustment is needed for the children who die before having children of their own, be it through a car accident, urban violence, opioid overdose, or through military service?)

36 posted on 11/24/2019 6:26:36 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: ealgeone
That I cannot tell.

The requirements for a mortal sin are 1) grave matter, 2) sufficient reflection, and 3) full consent of the will.

I’m simply pointing out that the matter of using NFP as simply a means of birth control is a grave one.

37 posted on 11/24/2019 6:31:10 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

A worthy topic! Looking forward to her next article.


38 posted on 11/24/2019 6:43:30 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. --Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Captain Walker
I don’t know anything about Afghanistan’s birth rate. Are you referring to this to dispute my math?

I'm disputing the notion you agreed with; that westerners having fewer children means we will be over run with Muslims. We won't be. Birth rates in the Muslim world are falling faster that in the west. The only reason some Muslim counties are above 2.1 now is simply that they are 20 years behind us. But they are catching up fast.

In the next 20 years, world population will start to decline for the first time ever. Muslim countries won't benefit from that.

39 posted on 11/24/2019 6:48:07 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Wiser now
A Catholic father of seven recounted a story to me in which a couple of older mainline Protestants (who knew he took the Faith seriously) had asked him if he ever sat down with his children and explained the differences between Catholics and Protestants.

“I do all the time,” he said.

“Really?”, came the surprised reply.

“Sure,” he said. “I sit them all down around the table and I say to them, ‘If we were Protestant, the last five of you wouldn’t be here.´”

40 posted on 11/24/2019 6:54:31 PM PST by Captain Walker
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