Scalfari: Pope Francis Denies Bodily Resurrection of Jesus

Church Militant ^ | November 7, 2019 | Jules Gomes

[BipolarBob]

Doubting Thomas meet Doubting Bergoglio.

[livius]

I read in either the Italian or Spanish press that Scalfari was annoyed by people saying that he was falsifying or mis-remembering the words of Bergoglio. At that point, he published the actual words, and he said that, contrary to what many defenders of Bergoglio have been saying, he actually does record the interviews, which is how he is able to come out with the exact quote. He doesn’t take notes or write out the interview, but he does have the exact words.

And even if he did make it up, wouldn’t it be reasonable for Bergoglio, in something this momentous, to come out and deny these words and make a profession of faith to reassure people?

[Alberta's Child]

This guy Eugenio Scalfari sounds like a Vatican version of Adam Schiff’s “whistleblower.”

[Alberta's Child]

I actually am coming to the belief that he is the Anti-Christ ...

I think we can be assured that this is not the case.

Pope Francis is too dopey and too easily discredited by anyone with an IQ over 80 to be the Anti-Christ.

[G Larry]

John 6:62

Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before?

[Sgt_Schultze]

In a new series of troubling revelations, Italian journalist Eugenio Scalfari has quoted Pope Francis as denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus in stating that the crucified Christ emerged from the tomb as a spirit rather than as a body.

Thomas doubts this is true [KJV John 20:24–29)]

[livius]

Nobody said the Antichrist had to be intelligent. Just crafty and good at lies.

[G Larry]

Scalfari identifies Jesus’ recognition of His divine Sonship at the age of 30.

“Until he was 30 he had remained in the family but it is at that moment that he discovers in himself the Son of God descended to earth for the redemption of men from all over the world,” Scalfari writes.

Pretty sure that the finding in the Temple (age 12) Christ was quite aware, as He told his Mother, "Did you not know that I must be about my Father's business?".

[Vendome]

+1

[Alberta's Child]

Francis is not crafty, and he's not good at lies. That's why I said he's too easily discredited.

Anyone who believes a word he says simply because he says it is a moron.

You think Pope Francis is the Anti-Christ? You might as well tell me that Satan himself appeared on this earth in the form of AOC or Joy Behar. These nitwits couldn't tempt me to follow them out of a burning house.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Bergoglio's passive-aggressive silences and insolent refusals to clarify anything, are certainly indicators that he finds confusion more to his purposes than clarity.

And as St. Paul warns, "God is not the Author of Confusion."

[G Larry]

No need to take Scalfari at face value.

Simply cite the Scripture that refutes his claims of the Pope's statements.

Thus, you avoid the premise and avoid accusing the Pope.

[armydoc]

Nonsense. The Catholic Church is not the Mystical Body of Bergoglio. If he's a heretic, he's outside the Church , per definition. Like any serious charge in Church law, it would require substantiation by a means that preserves procedural due process. That is, a trial-like investigation. We don't even know, at this point, whether Bergoglio said anything that Scalfari put in quotes.

But.....just 3 posts above this:

Of course it’s heresy. And by no means Francis’ first.

So which are we to believe?
1) He's a heretic by your declaration
2) He deserves "procedural due process" before anyone can declare him a heretic

[painter]

"Scalfari’s claim that Bergoglio is a Docetist

Who does this clown work for? CNN,MSNBC, or the New York Times??

Being Catholic I'm not a big fan of the Pope and have ALOT of problems with some stuff he stands for. But to deny the physical Resurrection of Jesus Christ is to deny His Divinity!

This Scalfari claims to be an atheist which in my opinion disqualifies anything he would say about the Pope!

[Campion]

The "procedural due process" is what would be required for the Church to formally recognize his heresy and physically remove him from office.

It's time for that to be considered, IMO.

[Buckeye McFrog]

Aside from Global Warming Kook Theory it’s hard to get a hold on exactly WHAT it is Francis believes.

[sphinx]

I’m old enough to remember when the Pope was Catholic. That somehow seems a long, long time ago.

[OLDCU]

Sounds more like a Methodist. That’s the direction they are heading.

[armydoc]

"The "procedural due process" is what would be required for the Church to formally recognize his heresy and physically remove him from office

So, if a lay catholic determines, in the absence of "procedural due process" by the courts of the Church, that the Pope is a heretic (multiple times over at that), would that make that lay Catholic

1) a sedevacantist Catholic
2) a non-Catholic who has left the Church by reason of failure to submit to the Pope?

I don't see any other options, but am willing to learn

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ow. You're right, I contradicted myself.

I should have put it this way: as I read it,de facto, he's a heretic: he has professed heretical errors, he knows they have gone public, and he has not denied them.

But to be canonically declared a heretic de jure, he would have the right to have the evidence presented and examined, have the right to defend himself, have the right to face his accusers, due process.