Posted on 10/25/2019 8:52:26 AM PDT by Salvation
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What is a "reformer's reformer?
I bet he's a product of this country's public school system.
Demons are cowards. They don't go near the strong of faith unless they see a real hole. Everyone has a lacuna in his life/faith. Then they tell Satan of that hole and he goes for the jugular.
“What is a “reformer’s reformer?”
During the Protestant Reformation reformers reformed the gospel. Now there are protestants telling other protestants they need to reform their gospel. A reformer of a reformer.
The only reason I passed typing in high school was that the teacher gave me a ‘D’ if I promised not to take typing 2.
Yes, I am still not comfortable with a keyboar, and that is even after years of my doing manual data input on a CNC mill.
THANK YOU.
Do these "other" Protestants think that their version of the gospel IS the gospel??
SOMEONE has to be right. Not all the 30,000+ different Protestant denominations can be right.
Yes, I am still not comfortable with a keyboar, and that is even after years of my doing manual data input on a CNC mill.
I took a typing class in my freshman year at college. THAT made me a whiz-kid at the keyboard. The keyboard hasn't changed much and it probably never will change much.
Actually, I suspect that the vast majority of these ‘prot’ denominations have one thing most essential in common: it is The Lord Jesus Christ Who is the Savior and believing and trusting in Him is the means of ‘born again’. Anything else add to the God Calculus is detritus to be ignored so long as we listen to the voice of His Spirit within us.
Actually in the Christian Scientist , Episcopalian, Mormonic , Scientologist , Swedenborgian , Unitarian, Watchtower society amalgam that is called "Protestantism" there are even some who believe there is no one gospel.
But within that big tent there are self-proclaimed "one true church" orgs who think their version of the gospel IS the gospel while being in conflict with each other, as well as divisions among their member. Thus the unity argument is fallacious.
SOMEONE has to be right.
Indeed, and Truth is exclusive by nature, and while comprehensive doctrinal unity has never been realized, unity in at least essential salvific Scriptural Truths is what should be. Yet while those who testify to most strongly esteeming Scripture as literally being the word of God also testify to being the most unified major religious group in core beliefs, the strongest unity in degree and scope is found among cults
For there are three basic means of obtaining unity: one is by enforced required faith-submission to leadership which proclaims it is worthy of faith, under the premise that their living office is incapable of salvific error. Scripture, Tradition and History (and past magisterial teaching) only authoritatively mean what (are to be understood) they currently say, and the basic duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors.
Which is the model for unity in Catholicism, Mormonism, the Watchtower Society and other groups, except that this is hardly enforced in Catholicism, thus resulting in her members disagreeing with their church more so than most others it seems, with liberal abortion and sodomy promoting public figures being manifestly considered members by current leradrship, along with conservative RCs, though the traditionalist sect are the class mostly likely to be excommed.
The second means of unity is akin to the first but is by faith-submission to past magisterial teaching, in which Scripture, Tradition and History only authoritatively mean what they said, which leads to rejection of the current magisterial teaching is they see it as being in conflict with the past. This is in principal a Protestant means of unity, except that instead of making the veracity of church teaching subject to examination by Scripture, (Acts 17:11) it is subject to the understanding of what past magisterial teaching said.
However, this model of commitment to static teaching manifests far more unity than their modernist counterparts, despite having often acerbic contentions within that Traditionalist class, and being more censored by the current leadership, and which they deny as being valid (or selectively reject teachings from).
The third and Scriptural means of unity is thru Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, "not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God." (2 Corinthians 4:2)
But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, (2 Corinthians 6:4-7)
The preaching of such was subject to testing by the establshed word of god, the Scriptures, and is how the NT church began, in dissent from magisterial authority but not as averse to it (likewise the American Revolution), and the lack of such purity, power and probity is both a judgment and a cause of modern disunity in word and in spirit.
However, that simply does not justify the faith-submission to magisterial authority model that marks cults any more than the disunity among Americans justifies Communist-type control. Nor the liberal "big tent" fluid diversity that is its counterpart. But as Biblical unity is by qualified assent and commitment to established Scriptural (not necessarily magisterial) Truth, the however more difficult this is, then that must be the means and the goal(and which is not opposed to central - but not assuredly infallible - magisterial authority and conditional submission to it).
And as with cults, distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, especially Acts thru Revelation. which best shows the NT church understood the OT and gospels).
Not all the 30,000+ different Protestant denominations can be right.
Nor can your specious parroted figure , which even Catholic apologists (such as Dave Armstrong) have abandoned. Yet comparing one particular church with whatever is lumped together as being outside of it is a invalid comparison, which also ignores the divisions among various "one true churches" and divisions within them.
Thanks for your feedback.
The fifteenth chapter of Acts and the first great Council of the Ekklesia tells us what we ought do as Gentile believers. I don’t see any Catholic sacraments of praying to dead people in the letter the Holy Spirit though good to send to the believers.
I do see in that letter specific things to avoid, one or two of which are hallmarks of Catholic sacramental ‘worship’.
LOL, 1 Cor 2:14 was written just for folks like you! You are addressed by the Bible! Aren’t you special ...
Hah! ... Sorry to disappoint you, but I won’t be here when that starts. I’m leaving in the great departure. Take your own advice though ...
We don't PRAY to dead people but we DO speak with them through prayers. We might say: Pray for me, please, Uncle Ralph.
We pray to God. We also pray to saints, but that is when we are asking for their intersession, etc.
https://www.yourcatholicguide.com/teachings-theologies/seven-sacraments/what-is-the-difference-between-sacraments-of-the-dead-and-the-sacraments-of-the-living.html
I'm not sure that I understand your statement.
We worship God and God alone.
We pray to Him but we also pray to our dead family and friends.
We also pray to our patron saints or the saints who are particular in thing: St. Anthony of Padua is the patron saint of lost things. I HAVE prayed to him when something I lost was VERY important.
I don't ask that often but when I did he never let me down...and he helped me immediately.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.
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