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Presbyterian: The Church Where Believing in God Isn’t Strictly Necessary
All USA News Hub ^ | 16 September 2019 | a

Posted on 09/18/2019 1:50:12 AM PDT by Cronos

Observant Presbyterians are always part of gatherings at Rutgers Presbyterian Church. But much of the time, so are Roman Catholics and Jews, as well as a smattering of people who consider themselves vaguely spiritual. Valerie Oltarsh-McCarthy, who sat among the congregation listening to a Sunday sermon on the perils of genetically modified vegetables, is, in fact, an atheist.

“It’s something I never thought would happen,” she said of the bond she has forged with the church’s community, if not the tenets of its faith. She was drawn to the church, she said, by “something in the spirit of Rutgers and something in the spirit of the outside world.”

Katharine Butler, an artist, was lured into Rutgers when she walked by a sandwich board on the street advertising its environmental activism. Soon, she was involved in more traditional aspects of the church, too.

“I can’t believe I’m doing this, singing away and all the Jesus-y stuff,” she said. “It was wonderful to find a place larger than me, that’s involved in that and in the community and being of service. It’s nice to find a real community like that.”

Typically, the connective tissue of any congregation is an embrace of a shared faith.

Yet Rutgers, a relatively small church on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, has rejected that. Sharing a belief in God — any God at all — isn’t necessary. Instead, the community there has been cobbled together by a different code of convictions, pulled in by social justice efforts, activism against climate change, meal programs for the homeless and a task force to help refugee families.

Houses of worship — including Christian churches from a range of denominations, as well as synagogues — have positioned themselves as potent forces on progressive issues, promoting activism on social justice causes and inviting in the L.G.B.T.Q. community. But religious scholars said that Rutgers was reaching a new frontier where its social agenda in some ways overshadowed its religious one.

“Rutgers has periodically reinvented itself as the Upper West Side has gone through changes like this,” said James Hudnut-Beumler, a professor of American religious history at Vanderbilt University. “This isn’t the first reinvention. It is one of their more interesting ones.”

The approach at Rutgers reflects how spirituality has shifted in fundamental ways. Those who enter the unassuming brick-and-limestone sanctuary on West 73rd Street find a place for fund-raisers, activism and developing ties to a neighborhood.

“People who otherwise feel marginalized or pushed out by regular congregations, more thoughtful people, say, or those who like to ask questions about faith, started to gather around our congregation,” said the Rev. Andrew Stehlik, the senior pastor at Rutgers.

“Not all of them are deeply interested in becoming yet another member of a denomination,” he added. “They are still coming and worshiping with us. We call them friends of the church. Often, they’re a substantial part of the worshiping community here.”

ImageSocial activism may draw many to the church, but there is also song in the services, led here by Beverly Thiele.
Social activism may draw many to the church, but there is also song in the services, led here by Beverly Thiele.CreditGabby Jones for The New York Times

It seems that the worshiping community could use an injection of people. Mainline Protestant denominations like Presbyterianism have seen their followings diminish in recent years. (Leaders of the Presbyterian Church put out a news release in April announcing that fewer followers were leaving, declaring that they were “encouraged by the slowing trend downward.”)

To address shrinking congregations, some pastors are searching for new ways to use their churches and redefine what fellowship means. Churches have the space and the good will, after all, to commit to community works, social justice or arts and educational projects. And opening their doors in this way can bring in those looking for more than a Bible study class.

“You just welcome those who are seekers,” Mr. Stehlik said.

Rutgers traces its history to 1798, its name derived from the street in Lower Manhattan where it opened its first sanctuary. The congregation has worshiped on the Upper West Side since 1888, and now has just over 100 members. For decades now, the church has been anchored near the bustling intersection of West 73rd Street and Broadway, where its “unapologetically progressive” outlook, as Mr. Stehlik described it, is on display.

A large “Black Lives Matter” banner hangs from the front of the church, and nearby are colorful Tibetan prayer flags. Inside, there are buttons for worshipers to wear to declare their gender identity: he/him, she/her, they/them. And during services, worshipers recite alternatives to the Lord’s Prayer that use more inclusive language.

Rutgers’s appeal, for some, is rooted in the frustrations and anxieties that have taken hold in left-leaning neighborhoods like the Upper West Side in recent years, fueled by the policies and rhetorical approach of the Trump administration. The church, which has a largely white community drawn from the neighborhood around it, has become a political sanctuary, and it has created a designation for so-called associated members who are part of the congregation but are not part of their faith.

“It’s part of their DNA, in a way, that they are constantly thinking about other people and ways to make the world right,” said Ms. Butler, one of the associated members. “It’s not just through proselytization and pointing fingers, but by working. There’s very little moralizing or the stuff that turned me off when I was younger.”

Clare Hogenauer sees the appeal of the church’s progressive spirit. As a lawyer, she challenged the death penalty, and a few years ago she plopped down topless in a plaza in Times Square to support the painted performers whose bare bodies had stirred controversy. (“It feels nice, actually,” she told The New York Post as she read a newspaper on a sweltering August day.)

But activism is not the reason she is a Rutgers regular.

Ms. Hogenauer, 71, has various ailments and relies on a rolling walker to navigate the neighborhood. She happened to come to the church several years ago simply because it was close to her apartment.

Ms. Hogenauer does not consider herself an observant Christian. “I believe he was a good guy,” she said of Jesus. But she found comfort in finding people who hugged her, asked about her health and joked with her.

“I’m more into the social aspect,” she said. “I care about a lot of the people, and they care about me.”

During a recent Sunday service, people were asked to share their joys, sorrows and concerns. One woman introduced a relative visiting from out of town. Others prayed for a regular who had been away and for the parents dropping their children off at college.

Ms. Hogenauer spoke about a health dilemma, as a medication prescribed to treat her severe pain did what it was supposed to but also left her feeling tired and groggy. She did not know what mattered more: relief from intense physical discomfort or a clear mind.

She said she wanted to share with them. She wanted her community to know what was going on in her life. She was not asking for their prayers, she said. But they prayed for her anyway.



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1 posted on 09/18/2019 1:50:12 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Has to be PCUSA-“Presbyterian Church, United States Apostate”

Hoss


2 posted on 09/18/2019 2:00:29 AM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: HossB86; admin

Admin - can you change the title please from “Presbyterian” to “Presbyterian PCUSA”?


3 posted on 09/18/2019 2:06:29 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

“...a Sunday sermon on the perils of genetically modified vegetables...”

And they wonder why they have lost members by the boatload.


4 posted on 09/18/2019 2:45:04 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Bonemaker

They sound like Unitarians—of course all the leftist churches look alike to me. ;-)


5 posted on 09/18/2019 3:00:00 AM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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To: Cronos

This church sounds a lot like the Universal Unitarian strain of pseudo-Christianity.


6 posted on 09/18/2019 3:00:12 AM PDT by hirn_man
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To: cgbg

Beat me by 12 seconds. I would of been first but I had trouble getting pseudo-Christianity spelled correectly!


7 posted on 09/18/2019 3:02:28 AM PDT by hirn_man
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To: Cronos

A church so “relevant” that the sermons are about nothing. It sort of reminds me of a Lutheran (ELCA) church I visited some years ago. I had given up on that denomination but was visiting this town and this church was near my hotel so I went there for a Sunday service. It was okay - it seemed pretty traditional and normal, but like most such churches, it was mostly older people. Well, I recently looked up the church’s website. Just about every page was about LGBT this and LGBT that. There were pictures of the church building with huge rainbow flages draped on it. There was a banner that said they were a “welcoming” church. I thought, yeah, they wouldn’t be very “welcoming” to me. I felt sick that a church was reduced to that, but the seeds had been planted a long time ago.


8 posted on 09/18/2019 3:20:06 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Cronos

I go to a pretty conservative PCUSA church now.

A church I used to go to was a quaint country church. Some associate pastor (degree from Rutgers) gave a sermon on how the virgin birth wasn’t real - just a story. “But stories can have even more meaning than reality!”

I asked him if the Resurrection was also “just a story”?

“Well of course it is! People don’t come back to life!!”

I asked him how he could have even passed his ordination as a pastor not believing in the resurrection of Christ. But it didn’t really matter as we wouldn’t be going there anymore and can you please take our names off the roll thank you very much.


9 posted on 09/18/2019 3:26:18 AM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: hirn_man; cgbg

And yet the Unitarians were mainline at least until the 60s - remember that Ike was a Unitarian. perhaps it seems that the Presbyterians and Episcopalians will go the same, sad way over the next few decades.


10 posted on 09/18/2019 3:42:48 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

When I was living in England over a decade and a half ago, the Anglicans and others were already heavily “we are pro-gay”. So I stuck to Catholicism - if I could understand Coptic I would go to a Coptic Church


11 posted on 09/18/2019 3:46:17 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: 21twelve

What I don’t get is why they still want to call themselves Christian. At least the Unitarians don’t do that anymore. If you don’t believe in the virgin birth and don’t believe in the resurrection that means you don’t believe Jesus was God.


12 posted on 09/18/2019 3:47:39 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

So basically, the Unitarians are taking over all the Mainstream Protestant Churches. Sad..


13 posted on 09/18/2019 4:00:38 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Cronos

I went to a Presbyterian church the weekend after 9-11-01 in Woodland hills,California. I went to pray for my country and my son who was going to war. I sat with my wife and youngest son and listened to the pastor speak. I thought I was hearing things when he went into a diatribe blaming Israel for the problems in the Middle East. Then when I was about to blow a gasket the pastor had invited an Imam to speak. I got up and told my family that we were leaving and the pastor came over to ask why. I told him that he was an apostate and that you cannot be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. I haven’t been back to a church since then. I’ve got my King James Bible and I’ve got Jesus. I’m good.


14 posted on 09/18/2019 4:00:59 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: HighSierra5

The thing is that Israel is not to blame for the problems in the Middle East

1. It occupies a small part of land
2. Yes, other people also claim that land, but EVERY land EVERYWHERE has multiple claimants.
3. Sharing the land has been rejected by the Muslims
4. Muslims are happy to fight each other.

Israel is not a perfect state - it has flaws, but it is not the root cause of all the problems in the ME.


15 posted on 09/18/2019 4:12:10 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: HossB86

National Council of Churches.


16 posted on 09/18/2019 4:33:07 AM PDT by Wm F Buckley Republican
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Again, the National Council of Churches. The only thing the ELCA and Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is the word Lutheran. The ELCA is a fake church.


17 posted on 09/18/2019 4:37:16 AM PDT by Wm F Buckley Republican
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To: Cronos

Note that these humans, possessing the only brain capable of sophisticated mysticism, despite their professed atheism, agnosticism and “progressive” identities, seek out rituals and gatherings however bizarre to address their mystical needs. Good example of post Christianity, neo paganism in modern day America. These “Presbyterians” sacrifice non approved vegetables. Yet its a good bet that eventually they won’t be satisfied until they sacrifice something far more dear and tangible. Bottom line: a bloody civil war will soon come.


18 posted on 09/18/2019 4:43:53 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: Cronos

“...listening to a Sunday sermon on the perils of genetically modified vegetables...”

At that point, me and my tithing are outta there.


19 posted on 09/18/2019 4:49:10 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Cronos

‘No one can serve two masters’

Apostate!


20 posted on 09/18/2019 4:59:19 AM PDT by Guenevere
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