Posted on 05/09/2019 9:35:49 AM PDT by ebb tide
BROOKLYN, New York, May 8, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) ― The e-commerce company Etsy.com is known for sales of cute crafts. Unfortunately, it also permits the sale of the sacred.
On May 7, Catholics on social media were alerted to an Etsy listing offering what the vendor claimed were “Real Catholic Hosts, consecrated by a priest.”
The seller, calling himself “AL” and his business “Pentagora,” stated that the purpose of the nine hosts was “to abuse for classic black fairs or black magic purposes.”
The hosts, he said, were made and consecrated in Germany, and the listing indicated that they would be shipped from Germany.
LifeSiteNews contacted the vendor for evidence that the hosts were indeed consecrated.
“Maybe you don't know, but to celebrate an authentic black mass, you have to be an ordained Catholic priest,” AL responded.
“There are a handful of priests in Germany who work in the satanic underground. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to tell you more,” he continued.
“Germany has always been a country of the occult. You don't have to believe me. The right people recognize me, that's all that matters.”
Beverly Stevens, the editor of Regina Magazine, said the sale of the Blessed Sacrament in Germany didn’t surprise her.
Stevens, who lived in Germany for seven years, told LifeSiteNews over social media that in that country “Catholic artifacts and sacred objects are routinely treated with the utmost disdain by the hierarchy and the elites they cater to ― so pretty predictable that this would spread to regular people.”
Stevens said she had seen sacred relics for sale in a Wiesbaden flea market.
“The seller thought it amusing that we Americans were horrified,” she recalled. “So the sale of consecrated hosts online for satanic worship purposes is completely predictable. I doubt whether Cardinal (Reinhard) Marx would bat an eye.”
The item was listed as “handmade” and therefore did not meet the marketplace criteria of Etsy, which states that this category cannot be used by someone “not involved in designing or making that item.” Etsy also has a anti-discrimination policy that forbids “posts that support or glorify hate groups and their members” and “derogatory or demeaning remarks against protected groups,” including religious groups.
LifeSiteNews reached out to Etsy for comment but was merely directed to the company’s House Rules.
The Catholic Church teaches that during the consecration of the Mass the Eucharistic wafers become the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ while retaining only the sensory appearance (i.e. accidents) of bread.
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You can pay off the bad guys for “ransom”, but it isn’t that hard to get unconsecrated hosts, and making a living off of selling “fakes”.
I would be curious to learn whether a Priest, with evil intent, can actually consecrate a host?
I know the "form and substance" rule, but can't believe intent is not a factor.
Heinrich Himmler, pick up the white courtesy phone, please. Heinrich ... Himmler ... white courtesy phone ...
Technically, the intent to consecrate is all that is necessary if a priest with the faculties does consecrate the Eucharist.
Judas was a failure however so are these creatures.
That's my dilemma....It is the the intent to consecrate, for an evil purpose.
Given the overarching intent is evil it seems the "consecration" doesn't occur.
But a stolen Host would be possible, sold for abuse.
So, why would the diocese NOT be alarmed,and why are they NOT protesting?
What Will Francis do?
“So, why would the diocese NOT be alarmed,and why are they NOT protesting?”
Some priests/bishop in the diocese probably don’t believe in Transubstantiation to begin with.
As an usher I was always prepared to tackle anyone trying to snatch a consecrated host.
He’ll stick with complaining about important stuff like climate change and mistreatment of migrants.
This is utterly horrifying. It makes me sick to my stomach.
I believe an evil priest *can* consecrate a Sacred Host for the purpose of this most damnable desecration. The “intent” needed is the intent to “do what the Church does” when consecration occurs. So I think the only intent needed is transubstantiation; not an intent to honor God and worship His real Sacramental Presence.
It’s giving me the shakes.
This is important, because it is not the priest of his personal worthiness who accomplishes the miracle: otherwise, none of the faithful would *ever* know if they were receiving the true consecrated Body-Blood-Soul-Divinity or not, due to the fact that nobody could know whether a priest might be harboring some secret mortal sin.
This is moral realism. Yes, even Judas could have consecrated validly.
>>>I don’t think it requires godly purposes. A priest in mortal sin can consecrate, even, if he (however obscurely) intends to “do what the Church does.”<<<
That gets into a bit of psychology. “Whether the objective is to consecrate as the Church intends,” in this case moral character of the priest is immaterial, doesn’t enter into the question of whether there is a correct intention.
I think there is certainly a matter of it being one of intent to consecrate. This is a question that the Church might have answered already.
Think about it....yes they are the Body and Blood of Christ.......but I doubt that He cares ABOUT THIS CHILDISH ATTEMPT AT BLASPHEMY....
So, for instance, a priest playing a part in a movie where he actually has the prescribed form and matter of the Sacrament, does not actually consecrate, because he did not intend a Consecration, just a simulation.
Whereas, a senile impaired priest *could* consecrate, if he had enough cognitive clarity to know and intend that he was doing what he had always done thought the years of his priesthood.
Of course I don't know all the answers about "iffy" cases. I would hardly know how to begin.
If you know of any online articles that deal with this, I'd love to look them up and learn more.
This is why we should receive on the tongue only
I agree.
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