Posted on 05/08/2019 4:26:24 PM PDT by grumpa
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Memo to self: don’t waste time reading anything by this guy.
It must be very, very important to you.
I attended a preterist church for a short time. I had enough when the pastor said no part of Psalm 22 was a prophecy of Christ.
Please consider this - these “modern” interpretations of Revelation are not consistent with anything Jesus said, nor do they fit the expectations of the disciples. They were all looking for the “end of the age” within their generation. When we push all of this into the future we rob Jesus of the completeness of his victory. There is nothing left to do - “It is Finished!”
I have always maintained that Preterism is the easiest eschatological system to dispense with ... but the hardest to get rid of because they scream the loudest.
Jesus saying “It is finished” has nothing to do with prophecy. He was referring to his sacrifice for the sins of the world. Yes, the disciples were looking for “the end of the age” in their lifetimes, but they were wrong.
Preterism works fine for me up until revelation, but how much of revelation does it include? Probably the first few chapters but far from all of it.
You are correct concerning, “It is Finished!”, he had yet to come in judgement upon Israel. Remember, John had told them he baptized only with water, but the one to come would baptize with water and fire - the fire was yet to com.
The disciples were not wrong - they just believe what Jesus had told them. Imagine that!
So if the end of the age was 70 a.d., I guess Jesus must have returned and somehow we missed Him.
There is universal agreement that the major theme of Revelation is the judgment upon Babylon. The disagreement is about who Babylon is, and, when her judgment takes place.
The identity of Babylon is pretty simple. The problem is that few people bother to check the text. They prefer worthless speculation. Who is Babylon? She is the “great city”:
“Alas, alas, that GREAT CITY BABYLON, that mighty city! For in ONE HOUR your JUDGMENT HAS COME. . . . For in ONE HOUR she is made desolate.” (Revelation 18:10)
Can we identify this great city symbolically called Babylon? We have plenty of information IN THE TEXT to identify her as none other than apostate old covenant Jerusalem. In Revelation 11:8 the great city is identified as the CITY WHERE THE LORD WAS SLAIN. So, Babylon “the great city” is clearly identified as Jerusalem. She was judged in AD 70 just as Jesus predicted in Matthew 21:33-45 (cf. Revelation 18:24); 22:1-14; 23:29-39; 24:1-34; etc.
But there is much more evidence. See my article for more detail:
He was there - the books of the Bible had already been written, but it is well documented in the works of the historian Josephus, among others. His Spirit was removed from the Temple before its destruction and moved to the Mount of Olives, then many saw him in the sky leading his army of angels in the defeat of the Jewish system. The system of animal sacrifice for sins had now been overcome by the sacrifice of Jesus, so it had to me destroyed.
Scripture does seem to support Babylon being Jerusalem but it also brings more questions, where was Peter at when he wrote from Babylon?.
Follow up from my last comment , what event took place at the time
of the two wittnesses?.
We also know that that there is still much more to take place because
Peter said that the Earth and the heavens will melt with feverent heat,
also John was told to write down what he saw and what was to come
so we know more is comming, so what is still to come other than the
destruction of this Earth?.
Amen ! Brother.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Until recently I had never heard the term preterist.
I’m guessing it means “the book of the Apocalypse is about the destruction of Jerusalem and later the 2nd coming”?
Jesus did prophesy the upcoming destruction of earthly Temple and Jerusalem and its replacement by the spiritual Temple (Jesus' body) and spiritual Jerusalem (Christianity)
you are correct - Jerusalem is the great harlot-city referred to in the book of the Apocalypse
“The great” as in “Come, I will show you the judgement of the great harlot” (Apoc. 17:1) refers to Jerusalem. This makes it clear that the harlot city, the woman on the beast is Jerusalem.
God’s judgement is on the city that “shed the blood of saints and prophets” as seen in John’s day - this echoes Jesus Christ’s own words when He spoke of Jerusalem “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you... Behold your house is forsaken and desolate” (Matthew 23:37-38)
We see the same in Isaiah 1:21 “How the faithful city has become a harlot, she that was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers”
As you pointed out we have Apocalypse 11:8, 16:19, 17:18 referring to the harlot as the “great city” where the Lord was crucified.
It is also clear that the harlot rides the beast that later devours her — imagery of Jerusalem riding the Roman Empire which ultimately devours her
I suppose it’s completely understandable that you would fail to see Rome in that prophecy.
Others have seen her in it, though. Keep that in mind, lest you be caught up in the delusion.
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