Posted on 04/06/2019 5:34:24 PM PDT by ebb tide
Given the level of knowledge in the 13th century, there would have been no reason for a Medieval forger to create such an elaborate work that defies 21st century technology to explain how it was created. During the time there was a thriving business in phony relics that were crude and could easily be dismissed as fakes by today’s technology. For this reason alone I doubt the shroud is a Medieval forgery.
“The question I have about the shroud is that it appears to be a 2-D image rather than a 3-D image that would happen if it was actually wrapped around a body. The proportions look like what would be represented in a photo or painting or other flat object. So why aren’t the features significantly wider in proportion to the height, to account for the curvature of the body?”
is it possible that the shroud was laid upon the body rather than wrapped around it, explaining the image’s 2-dimensional aspect vs. a 3-dimensional one?
The Church takes a circumspect approach to relics. There remain many unanswered questions about the Shroud of Turin.
My understanding is that the different depths and shape of impressions of the image are consistent with having been placed or wrapped around the body.
But it’s been a few years since my Shroud studies...
Considering the fantastic amount of detail contained in the shroud, covering scientific knowledge that was unknown in the 13th century (and some of it unknown even to this day), I consider the hoax idea as 'not possible'. What does that leave us with?
You said it.
So why aren’t the features significantly wider in proportion to the height, to account for the curvature of the body?
They are wider. The distortion of the wrap has to be accounted for to see what the face actually looked like. There was a documentary that did so and revealed the actual face.
“...there are legions of professed Christian’s who have no idea what it is, or that it even exists.”
Many protestants have told me it’s just another one of those “graven images,” Catholics are always idol-worshipping instead of Jesus. Like statues.
After all, "the demons believe, but merely shudder." --James 2:19
I believe it is a phoney because it is based on what the liberals believe Jesus looked like and not what the scriptures say he looked like.
How exactly does Scripture describe Him?
Recall from Scripture that there was also a separate cloth wrapped around the head of Christ.
Catholics are the only “Christians” who need icons and trinkets to believe they have gained Salvation. Then they overlook the actual “Truth and Way”: Grace through belief in Christ as the Savior; and, even that Faith is a Gift.
2 - It is NOT "worshiped"! (And neither are statues and other Christian images.)
Not to nitpick, but Scripture says only that Jesus invited Thomas to touch his wounds; it doesn’t say whether Thomas actually did.
I personally do not think it matters whether he did or not; Jesus was making a point about believers who would not have the benefit the Apostles had of actually seeing Jesus.
I agree that different Christian groups regard icons, medals, and other imagery to be of differing import in the journey of faith, and I also think your statement about Catholics is misinformed.
Unless you do not think Catholics are Christians; then your point is moot.
Jesus was making a point about believers who would not have the benefit the Apostles had of actually seeing Jesus.
It was more than just making a point.
Can anyone truly believe without the help of the Holy Spirit?
Jesus was a Jew not a Nazarite even though he grew up in Nazareth,
in John 1.46 Nathaniel said is there any thing good can come out of
Nazareth, you can almost hear his dislike by reading it.
But he saw him and saw that he was good. Acts 18.18 Paul gets his
hair cut because he had taken a vow.
Most people do not read it but the Nazarite vow was not complete until
the head was shaved.
In 1corinthian 11. 14 Paul said that if a man has long hair it is a shame.
plus many more scriptures. Jesus did not have a pony tail.
R u kidding!?
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