Posted on 12/27/2018 5:56:57 PM PST by marshmallow
Kiev, December 24, Interfax - President Pyotr Poroshenko has signed into law a bill compelling the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to specify its affiliation with the Russian Orthodox Church in its name, a statement on the presidential website said.
The bill "On changes to the Ukrainian law on the freedom of conscience and religious organizations," approved by parliament on December 20, concerns the names of religious organizations which form part of a larger religious organization headquartered outside Ukraine, "in a state which was found by law to have carried out a military aggression against Ukraine and (or) temporarily occupied a part of Ukraine," the statement reads.
"People have the constitutional right of free choice of religion. Said legal changes are creating the best conditions for the exercise of this right by those who will decide which Orthodox jurisdiction to belong to: either to the newly-created autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine or to the Church which insists on preserving its link to, and dependence on, the ROC," Poroshenko said when signing the bill.
"It is easier to make a choice when all things are called by their names. Implementation of the law will give citizens full information," he said.
The legal changes conform to the principle of the freedom of religion and equality of religions, citizens will not have their constitutional rights restricted, the president said.
The bill passed final reading and was backed by 240 deputies on December 20.
It reads: "a religious organization which forms part of the structure of a religious organization headquartered in a state which has carried out a military aggression against Ukraine and temporarily occupied its territory, should have its name reflect this affiliation to such foreign-based religious organization." Such a religious organization in Ukraine will be obligated to include in its full name the name of the foreign-based organization it is part of, and allowed to add the words "in Ukraine."
Rada speaker Andrey Parubiy signed the bill on the same day and sent it to the president for signature.
The UOC asked Poroshenko to veto the bill. "We believe this law is anti-constitutional and we intend to defend our rights by every legal means. We ask the president of Ukraine to apply his right of veto to this law," the UOC legal department said in a statement.
The law will come into effect once published. After that, the central executive authority in charge of the religious policy is to carry out an appraisal of the charters of religious organizations. Should it identify circumstances regulated by this law, the authority will notify the religious organization accordingly via the official newspaper Uriadovy Kurier.
can someone explain what is actually happening here?....I’ve only followed on the periphery of why the Ukranian/Russian orthodox church seem to be at each others throats....thx in advance..
why the Ukranian/Russian orthodox church seem to be at each others throats..
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It must be “Unity of The Spirit”
Note the HEAVY,bordering on blasphemous, /S.
Hillary and McCain put Nazis in charge of the Ukraine.
I call such a move “truth in advertising” - though it isn’t so much about beliefs as it is about showing where allegiances fall.
Kind of like requiring labels on products showing where they really come from.
I wouldn’t go that far - this guy is far better than some in their past.
This doesn’t interfere with anyone’s ability or freedom to worship as they see fit. It simply requires the “Orthodox” church in Ukraine to be transparent on which branch of the Orthodox Church they are beholden to - (it’s part of the growing Ukrainian nationalism). Either you are formally under the Ukrainian Orthodox (separate from the old Russian Orthodox jurisdiction), or you continue to identify with the Russian Orthodox headship (and be looked at by citizens - especially the more nationalistic - as suspect.
Seems perfectly reasonable. It’s no different than having Jews wear stars to show who they are beholden to as well, as part of a growing German nationalism.
The Orthodox wanted caesaropapism and they got it.
“Hillary and McCain put Nazis in charge of the Ukraine.”
Who knew there were so many Jewish Nazis in Ukraine?
I suppose you are one who equates LGBTQetc to Civil Rights here in the US?
You suppose wrong. Your batting average on this thread is abysmal.
There were Jewish Nazis in Nazi Germany as well. Look it up.
Interesting - I have several friends in Ukraine (both US nationals and Ukrainians) who are VERY aware of the Nazi atrocities - including one who is an Orthodox Christian. He favors this as well.
My supposition was based on your false dichotomy.
Are they also aware of the real-world Nazi military groups employed by the Ukrainian government in its war on Donbass?
Have a source, other than Pro-Russia, pro-separatist propaganda pages?
The entire Ukraine situation is very close to my heart - and I have been quite open to digging into the news and information way beyond what our own horrendous media spoon feeds.
I spent two weeks in Ukraine last Spring and talked to a LOT of people from differing walks - some were Ukrainian speakers, some Russian - some with active ties to Russia, some in positions of government - Ukraine has serious problems - the bulk of which have been brought about by Russia, both historically (old Soviet Union), and more recently as Putin has systematically been attacking Ukraine via economic means, political means, technologically, via resources, and in a massive disinformation campaign. And there are pro-Putin moles and plants throughout the Ukrainian government, despite efforts to root them out.
note the symbol
For someone so interested in Ukraine, it’s rather shocking that this is news to you. Perhaps you ought to diversify your information sources?
“Hillary and McCain put Nazis in charge of the Ukraine.”
And then their master Obama put the damned Russian imperialists in charge of Crimea.
“There were Jewish Nazis in Nazi Germany as well. Look it up.”
There really were no Jewish Nazis in Germany. There were “Mischlinge” who supported Hitler and who were given special dispensations to serve in the armed forces.
There are plenty of books about this nowadays:
https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587
Even non-German Jews sometimes found themselves on the same side as the Nazis: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/museums/10682975/The-Jews-who-fought-for-Hitler-We-did-not-help-the-Germans.-We-had-a-common-enemy.html
The largest Jewish civic organization actually encouraged its members to support the Nazis in the early 1930s - as a way to stop Eastern European Jews from entering Germany no less - but they were not Nazis.
Some Jews became “Jew hunters” to prolong their own lives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_K%C3%BCbler
There were, however, really no Jewish Nazis. And the people who took over Ukraine weren’t Nazis either.
“For someone so interested in Ukraine, it’s rather shocking that this is news to you. Perhaps you ought to diversify your information sources?”
For someone so interested in Ukraine, it’s rather shocking that it is news to you that non-Germans would use symbols dating back to a time when their peoples were allied with the enemy of their oppressors (the Soviet Union). Perhaps you ought to diversify your information sources?
The “enemy of their oppressors” were the Nazis.
Sounds like you wish Germany had defeated Russia and won WW2.
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