Jesus among sinners

OSV.com ^ | 08-29-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[Elsie]

I get another attack from an absolute lunatic.

YOU weren't attacked; read it again:

... this whole thread has become an attack on every FALSE Catholic teaching, Mary, the Eucharist, etc.

[nobamanomore]

Thanks. I appreciate your input. It’s always great to hear your opinion of The Roman Catholic

[ealgeone]

As evidenced, some RCs have very thin skin. Almost as thin as obama’s!

[Al Hitan]

The parts from the CCC you posted further condemns Roman Catholicism.

It’s interesting that the rest of the Catholic Church is exempt.

[boatbums]

I am always curious about the intentions of those who don’t post the of immediately following paragraphs of the Catechism that fully explains the Church’s stance on non-Christian religions, including Islam:

Yes, let's continue. For the REST of the story:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

Does this not sound like Catholicism teaches non-Catholics, even non-CHRISTIANS can be saved outside of the Catholic church? Don't sincere Muslims "try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience"? Can you understand why there is disagreement with the official Catholic view and the Biblical and long-believed Christian view that no one can be saved without faith in Jesus Christ (excluding the innocent babies, of course)?

[ealgeone]

That’s the way I read it also. It’s Universalism on steroids. And false teaching on steroids.

[Luircin]

Even ‘innocent’ babies—well, as innocent as sinful humanity can get—are saved in Jesus Christ. There is NO OTHER NAME by which we must be saved.

I don’t see why that’s so hard for some people, you know?

[boatbums]

I don’t know, calling fellow Christians “idiots” and “lunatics” doesn’t sound to me like an appeal to the conscience.

[ealgeone]

I don’t know, calling fellow Christians “idiots” and “lunatics” doesn’t sound to me like an appeal to the conscience.

Sadly, that is all some have.....and a lot of the Roman Catholics are et up with it.

The internet allows the true feelings of people to come forth and be posted.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

👊🏼

[Religion Moderator]

Two violations of the Religion Forum guidelines in one post.

Do not post on this thread or in the Religion Forum again.

When you are ready to follow the guidelines send me a private FR mail message expressing your desire to do so.

[Luircin]

Indeed. Along with liberal Prot churches (which tend to be closest to Rome) and cults (which presume elitism and ensured veracity like Rome).

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I note that it’s the liberal Prot churches that are trying the hardest for ‘unity’ with Rome.

[mo]

My point is that the Roman Church IS full of demons!!

Not that its public criticism is demonic

[Elsie]

He can still READ this thread.

I hope folks can tell; in my replies; that I was not very offended. It was surely NOT my desire that he be booted; but that we could come to some kind of understanding; albeit begrudgingly.

NONM; enjoy your vacation. I’ve been booted from ALL of FR in the past. It taught me a lot.

[Elsie]

I'm glad you cleared THAT up!

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Now; back to FALSE Catholic teachings.

How about all them wise Catholic quotes found in #60.

Rome ALLOWS these to continue to be believed and propagated; so how should Rome go about CORRECTING the sex scandal now plaguing her?

When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/TRUEDEVO.HTM

 

 

Ambrose,  Anselm,   Antoninus,   Athanasius,  Bernadine,  Blosius,  Bonaventure,   St. John Damascene,
Ephem,  Fulgetius,  Guerric,  Richard of Laurence,  Father Nicholas Gruner,  St. Alphonsus de Liguori, Father Stefano Manelli

[Elsie]

Attention all folks with no dog in this fight:

Does the following sound biblical to you??

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Guerric:

 …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…

...and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

[Elsie]

You DAMNED Protestants had BETTER listen up!

 

 

http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mary18d.htm

[Elsie]

Attention all you Catholics out there that claim NO assurance of Heaven yet

...is as CERTAIN of heaven...

[nobamanomore]

Thanks for standing up for the abusers in this forum. It would be really tough for the anti Catholic crowd without your consistent support!

[Mark17]

Attention all you Catholics out there that claim NO assurance of Heaven yet

...is as CERTAIN of heaven...

When I was a catholic, I thought that was meant for other people, but that I was somehow not included in it. I think that is another reason why I am an ex catholic. I wanted to have assurance of salvation. Now, I do. If others don’t, that’s on them. 👍😁