Vatican Advisor: Pope ‘Breaks Catholic Traditions Whenever He Wants’

The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 8/14/18 | Staff Reporter

[Mrs. Don-o]

Two hypotheses:

• God is not depriving Pope Francis of his free will, and therefore Pope Francis is actively resisting the Holy Spirit.

• Or, Jorge Bergoglio is not the valid Pope.

  On the latter hypothesis, see #6 (LINK)

[irishjuggler]

Good point. Better unmasked than masked.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Free of disordered attachments"?

You might find these of interest:

#39

and

#41

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[NKP_Vet]

Bergoglio is liked by liberal Catholics and liberal Protestants. He’s especially liked by Protestants because he acts just like a democrat politician. He’s liked by liberal Catholics because he’s a liberal like they they are. Can’t put it any simpler than that. I personally ignore any of his ramblings.

[daniel1212]

Those are excellent quotes. This is why sedevacantists look to the Catholic teaching of Saint Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, on the matter of a heretic pope: Therefore, the true opinion is the fifth, according to which the Pope who is manifestly a heretic ceases by himself to be Pope and head, in the same way as he ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; and for this reason he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction

However, this would mean that the pope is not the supreme judge of what is heresy. And as said, whether a pope can be deposed against his will, is matter of debate (which it seems only a pope can settle).

Of course, just as you all consider a heretic pope to be no pope, and thus sedevacantists have had none for decades, based on their judgment that modern popes violate ancient Catholic church teaching, likewise do we fundamental evangelicals reject all popes of Rome as based on our judgment that all popes (versus Peter, etc.) violate the most ancient wholly inspired substantive church teaching, the Scriptures.

No wonder traditional RCs are called "Protestant" by mainstream RCs.

[daniel1212]

Betcha a penny the vast majority of Roman Catholics are not aware of the "rules" you posted.

Yes, nor are most of ours.

[daniel1212]

You’re on.

[daniel1212]

Above all, they are not "Catholics," "Protestants," denominational episcopacies, or children of the "Reformation." And when the Millennial Kingdom becomes reality, they will rule as agents of the Prince of Peace.

Well, whoever is born of God will be in the kingdom, and which can include some in churches we exclude as as true churches, to varying degrees. Yet i believer there will be different levels when the Lord reigns with his elect, to the glory of God and praise of all. After the tears (incld. mine) at the judgment seat of Christ.

[ealgeone]

Your opinion is no better than my opinion. And you’re not a non-catholic.

And that's about all Rome has left their members with...their own opinions as Rome has not dogmatically ruled on the majority of texts.

You’re a lapsed Catholic. You don’t practice the faith. Nothing more. Quit trying to justify not practicing the faith by badmouthing practicing Catholics.

No...metmom is a born again believer....a follower of Christ.

Christianity and Roman Catholicism.....there is a difference.

[Elsie]

Many don't. Sometimes I am one of the many.

[NKP_Vet]

Christ started one church and that church is the Catholic Church. Now you can disagree with that till the cows come home, but it’s absolute fact. The Catholic Church compiled the Bible and determined what was sacred scripture and what was not.

[Elsie]

You like him because he acts like a Protestant who hates Catholics.

Sorry you're taking it so personal.

The only way I'd hate YOU is if you'll be coming up with extra biblical stuff like Rome has done for centuries.

[Elsie]

There is my HATE: of the ‘sticks and stones’ variety;

and then there is Roman LOVE; of the ‘Break their bones’ variety.

[Elsie]

Quit trying to justify not practicing the faith by badmouthing practicing Catholics.

Lapsing Reaganesque; ELSIE says...

Quit badmouthing non-practicing Catholics. Their faith is definitely more Publican than Pharisee.

Sorry for the vague Scriptural reference.

[Elsie]

Have you never read? From Jesus... HE told us repeatedly who the fake Jesus would be ... even way back in the Garden of Eden...penned by Moses.

No; I have not read JESUS saying anything about ANTICHRIST.

But I do welcome reading the Scripture where He did.

[Elsie]

Christ started one church and that church is the Catholic Church.

HMMMmmm…

I'm left wondering...

Who started them churches that John was commanded to write to in Revelation??

[imardmd1]

True dat.

[ladyjane]

Christ started one church and that church is the Catholic Church.

The Greek Orthodox claim that they are the one true church and the Romans split off from them.

[ealgeone]

Christ started one church and that church is the Catholic Church. Now you can disagree with that till the cows come home, but it’s absolute fact.

If by Catholic you mean the ekklesia...the body of believers in Christ....yes.

If you mean the mess that is the Roman Catholic church....no.

The Catholic Church compiled the Bible and determined what was sacred scripture and what was not.

Uh....no. The Roman Catholic church did not formally declare their canon until Trent....April 8, 1546.

[Just mythoughts]

Have you never read? From Jesus... HE told us repeatedly who the fake Jesus would be ... even way back in the Garden of Eden...penned by Moses.

No; I have not read JESUS saying anything about ANTICHRIST. But I do welcome reading the Scripture where He did.

I just gave you the 'first' place wherein the 'anti'- instead of Christ is named. The 'anti'- instead of Christ gets tossed out of heaven before Christ returns using a double edged sword for a harvest. The first tribulation is lies and deception ... because ill informed Christians have not done their homework!!!! They have a 'security-blanket' of a rapture doctrine that leads them into deception.