"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan
Posted on 04/22/2018 11:48:52 AM PDT by Hostage
I know more than one non Catholic who as availed himself of the confessional.
Family lawyers are of limited use in the family court system? News to me.
I spent over 2 years in family Court (over $225k!!). I’ve been through just about every facet of a contested custody case. Without a good attorney (who in my case it also a brother in Christ) who knows what would have happened. People who see my Decree would wonder at what I was awarded despite not having primary custody.
An experienced attorney will know rules of evidence, what motions to file, will know at least some of the Judges, and will have a Rolodex of reliable counsellors, psychologists and mediators. So far, from what you have described, it sounds to me like your friend is doing things which could put his son’s life at risk. I hope not. I wish him well.
Having been through the system, there is merit to many of the things you write.
My question is, why do we allow the local bar association to write the rules government legal practice?? The system claims to look out for “best interest of the child”, but truly they have a cookie cutter formula which ignores faith and family practice. Thankfully, in my jurisdiction, the default position is that there will be a geographic restriction of the child’s residence, so that both parents can have a meaningful relationship with the child(ren). There is a legal mountain to climb for the custodial parent to try to run off with the child. This is very, very good. But most other jurisdictions just let Mom run off and deprive Dad of that relationship.
What a story! Your “friend” knows that his son is being abused but doesn’t want it reported! And you think that it’s the counselor’s fault.
I was actually able to get custody of the 10 year old when she reached 15, and even represented myself in court. My ex’s attorney was desperately trying to get me to act out in court. The result was that she was threatened with contempt twice.
I was coached my a men’s advocacy paralegal. It worked.
I see the courts, not as a place to get justice, but as a place to play a game. And once you learn the rules of the game, you have a good chance of winning. Looking back, I kinda wish I’d pursued a career as a trial attorney. I felt like I was in my element even at age 49.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan
Any licensed counselor or medical professional has a duty to report immediately any suspected case of abuse or face loss of license. Period. It has nothing to do with Christian counseling
Would be great for all men to seek men’s advisory paralegal or mediator prior to any court involvement when it comes to divorce.
Good things turned out well for you and yours..
Would be great for all men to seek men’s advisory paralegal or mediator prior to any court involvement when it comes to divorce.
Good things turned out well for you and yours..
I don’t know about your jurisdiction, but where I live, mediation is a mandatory step ordered by Family Court.
Our mediator called an impasse after about 30 seconds. OK, maybe it was 30 minutes. The parenting plan proposed by the other side (ridiculous by my now ex-wife), which was consistent with the impasse, was used by the ad litem attorney (a biological female) to propose to the jury that I get custody.
So yeah, mediation is good, but if the custody is contested, and one has ANY inkling that one’s spouse is about to do scorched Earth (usually Mom), get a good lawyer, even to arrange mediation. It is simply too risky to deal with an ex-spouse whose real goal is to destroy the other parent.
If you’re an MD, you should be smart enough to have read through the thread to glean the points which you apparently did not do.
Of course, licensing by the state makes those licensees beholden to state mandates. That is not the point.
See #78, #79, #80, and OTHERS for what the thread points are.
That you didn’t read through the thread and get the points is either because you’re lazy, mouthy, sassy, reasoning-impaired, poorly educated, or a combination thereof. You can’t be an MD unless you were educated in Zimbabwe or some hell-hole and came by the 5th pathway. Else we’re all at risk of politically clueless, subgrade McCabe-wife type MD tar babies.
Take some advice, get a complete picture before spouting off or stay out of politics.
Good grief, another mouthy viewer who doesn’t bother to get the complete picture.
The kid is fine and in good hands. See #58 above.
See #78, #79, #80 and others above and then come back and show some class by making an apology.
Thank goodness, a poster with a brain.
And a pleasant good evening to you. Bless your heart!
I have higher credentials than ‘MD’ but feel no compunction to list them by my moniker or even in personal emails.
That said, I have worked alongside many MDs in research studies and one would think their education would make them tend to be more like philosophers but in reality, that is not always the case, Some are like automatons incapable to think of what it means to be an American, to question authority, to examine legalism and see where it is detrimental and what needs to be done to improve it. It’s a pity that some MDs are limited in this sense.
The child in this story is in the safest, most competent and compassionate hands that could be, a loving and responsible parent, but one who faces a predicament that is in process of finding the best resolution.
But it’s perturbing to see people spout off when it comes to the best interest of a child as if they have some virtuous view of the matter which they don’t. It’s called ‘Virtue Signaling’ and it is baseless ‘for the children’ Pavlovian behavior. It is disgusting because there is no wisdom in it, no benefit to listening to it, no light shed by it, like garbage.
This story is not about a child and his loving parent, it is about so-called Christian Services allowing themselves to be subjugated to the state, doing the state’s bidding even when that bidding is wrong on its face. State involvement is accepted by some shallow minded Americans as something that is not to be reviewed, challenged, reformed, or questioned.
I have been around a long, long time, have witnessed the evolution of American society dumbed down and afraid to take part to make improvements in their laws and their lives, to band together and get a political agenda in place to improve conditions and society in general. Instead, some Americans would like to be led around like immature stunted pseudo-adults who desire an ‘authority’ to tell them what to do. Such beings shun the responsibility of thinking for themselves.
The advent of this thing called CPS is not an improvement to society. It is a wrong step. Society has not improved under this form of legalism. It’s detrimental to health. It needs reform.
The people that are professionally trained in dealing with family conflicts such as social workers, school counselors, family counselors, psychologists have acquiesced as agents to the state when they are in fact superior to any state agency because they know what is happening on the ground whereas the state is clueless and takes harsh action that in many if not most cases does more damage than good to the helpless.
Professionally trained people can take responsibility and liability by taking out malpractice insurance to cover cases where their instructions fell short of what was needed to prevent conflicts from escalating. In other words, these professional people should have the decision authority to call in law enforcement or courts to intervene. They should not be required to call in the harsh clueless badged guns at the drop of one allegation of abuse. They are better informed and better suited to make decisions.
The class that is superior to the professionally trained counselors is the rabbinical, priest and clergy class because they are lifelong students and confessors of wisdom. They are the traditional and natural mitigators of family and social conflicts. Yet, they are threatened by and forced to subjugate themselves to the state.
This thread has generated some inputs that are excellent which is the hoped-for purpose of these discussion threads, that may be feed discussions of political reforms.
An example political agenda for reform for improving the situation for children and their adult caregivers and parents would look something like this:
1. The statute that MANDATES CPS be called at the slightest mention of abuse should be stricken WHEN the family is under the care of a certified counselor, certified under groups such as the American Counseling Association, the American School Counselor Association (ASCA), the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapists (AAMFT), and many others.
2. A recognized and approved credentialed counseling certification is sufficient to allow the counselor holding such credential to make decisions where harsh measures are called for.
3. Certified credentialed counselors are mandated to carry malpractice insurance at a level determined to cover incidents exposing families to harm and stress, just as is done by legal and medical professionals.
4. CPS or law enforcement must respond to a certified counselor’s report and must follow guidelines and instructions of the counselor such as:
a. As directed by the certified credentialed counselor, temporary custody is to be given to listed relatives or known listed persons of the family.
b. Intervention by clergy and rabbinical persons from the family’s temple, synagogue, shul or Church are to be given priority if requested by at least one parent or guardian of the family under duress.
c. Reports by Clergy, Rabbis, Certified Credentialed Counselors shall be recognized by courts and government offices.
And so on. These are the types of serious discussions that take place that aim for improvement and reform.
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