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Salvation and Church
OSV.com ^ | 03-14-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Bob434; aMorePerfectUnion

Bob, I looked at all the descriptions of Hell on your page. Very interesting and scary. I have no idea why people deliberately choose to go to that awful place, but many DO make that choice, and only a few actually make it to Heaven. I am puzzled about it, but I accept it, because God said it.


41 posted on 04/21/2018 11:47:31 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Steelfish
Steely, you keep recycling your same arguments that have been addressed and answered on previous threads... but let's do it again!

Before the Bible there was the Church.

False. 2/3 of the Scriptures were written before the birth of Christ, though they prophesied about Him.

If Protestants don’t believe in the ONE true Church, why on earth do they use the Church’s calendar to celebrate Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter on the same dates observed by the one Church.

History, dear Steely. We do many things because of the development of history. This is not the same as believing that Rome is the OTC. You are making a category mistake here, FRiend.

Looks like the early Church fathers, some of whom were disciples of St. John, were all wrong.

At times, they all got things wrong, since they don't all agree and not everything they wrote is agreed to by Rome. At times, even the disciples were wrong and were corrected by Christ.

And the thousands of martyrs, saints, and theologians of the last two millennia all got it wrong.

They certainly got a lot wrong!

Thankfully, God has always reserved to Himself those who believed. Dear Blessed Father Luther, for example.

And the tens of thousands of historians, Protestant theologians, atheists, and and scientists from all other faiths from ordinary workpeople to Kings and Queens who converted to Catholicism all got it wrong.

Yes, we agree. See how easy that is.

Many millions/billions of people get things wrong every day of existence. Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, etc.

What did they miss?

CHRIST and CHRIST ALONE!


42 posted on 04/21/2018 11:48:25 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: nobamanomore
I’m sick of the same three internet anti catholic trolls

I appreciate you sharing your feelings. What is it that you consider very important, if not salvation??

43 posted on 04/21/2018 11:49:13 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Seems they are leaving in far greater numbers... South America alone.

The Philippines too.

45 posted on 04/21/2018 11:51:21 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: nobamanomore
I am pretty certain anything regarding salvation is above your pay grade, a lot above your pay grade.

Salvation is not above anyone's pay grade.

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

"WHOEVER BELIEVES"

46 posted on 04/21/2018 11:53:55 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: Mark17

Yes Mark it is very scary- (I actually had an NDE where i descended to hell- not heaven- long story- high fever- hallucinations convulsions- caused misfiring synapses that caused the hallucinatory experience i had)and let me tell you i was shook for a very long time after it happened- My experience was just mental experience- not and actual ‘after death experience’ (I don’t believe in those)- I can’t imagine going to hell physically- The horrors of hell are no joking matter- I simply can’t understand people making the choice to spend eternity there-


47 posted on 04/21/2018 12:13:34 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: tjd1454
Theirs is a situation of ignorance, yet in their hearts they feel unity with all those who have true faith in Christ. This is something which I feel Catholics would do well to understand.

Agreed; forgive them for they know not what they do.
48 posted on 04/21/2018 12:17:40 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Bob434

“The horrors of hell are no joking matter- I simply can’t understand people making the choice to spend eternity there-

And yet many ignore the words of God about how to KNOW you will go to heaven, and instead, try to do good works or false sacraments. They do not save. Christ alone saves.


50 posted on 04/21/2018 12:19:16 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: nobamanomore

Have you done what John 3:16 says??

Do you know you will go to heaven??


51 posted on 04/21/2018 12:23:05 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: Salvation

Hiya! How can you tell if you’re saved” This is a real and serious question. My sister is “saved” and we are not talking right now, so please pray for me and let me know if I’m “saved”.


52 posted on 04/21/2018 12:25:30 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What does it say? If you believe in me, bla bla bla?


53 posted on 04/21/2018 12:27:08 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

How would you you know? You could be condemned to hell and not know it. Is it a game of chance?


54 posted on 04/21/2018 12:29:24 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: nobamanomore
Have you ever seen me post in protestant based threads? Didn’t think so.

This is an open thread.

It isn't Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox.

That was the choice of the OP.

If you have anything to contribute factually, I'll welcome you on any thread. Discussion is a very good thing.

56 posted on 04/21/2018 12:32:57 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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I feel like I’m being saved, but how can I know for sure? If that’s even possible. I’ve been watching a video that has been impacting me on the side of believing the Bible.


57 posted on 04/21/2018 12:34:49 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: Concentrate
How would you you know?

Great question, answered here:

11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:11-13


58 posted on 04/21/2018 12:35:10 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What is OP? BTW the video is: Https://tinyurl.com/ya3djqit It’s a you tube video. If it doesn’t work, I’ll fix it.


59 posted on 04/21/2018 12:42:24 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: Concentrate

It’s really hard to transmit, I guess, because the PTB, don’t want it to be so. I’ll try again.


60 posted on 04/21/2018 12:45:00 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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