Posted on 02/06/2018 11:39:12 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
Bkmrk.
Ps- I agree with you that Mary was only a virgin until Jesus was born. Jesus had half brothers and sisters.
pps i too appreciate Jordan’s teaching for what it is...but it is not a true, spiritual approach to the Bible
Are you saying you once were a “Bible Worshipper”?
The bible is simply not what so many people think it is. And often the “contradictions” people see are not contradictions in what the bible says but, rather, contradictions in interpretations.
But how do you know what the actual message of Christ is, without the Bible?
Most of the early believers did not have bibles, nor could they read.
Why would He who is the incarnate Word of God, have to say “It is written...”?
It would be like arguing politics with someone today and saying, “it said so here [insert written source here].”
By Jesus saying “it is written”, and the reader knowing what writing he was talking about, gives what was written credibility. He is actually amplifying what He said was written in a way that only He could, since He is God in flesh.
pps i too appreciate Jordan’s teaching for what it is...but it is not a true, spiritual approach to the Bible
Have you heard him describe his dream about a cemetary? Fascinating.
The earliest believers in Jesus were Jews and heir Bible was the Tanak, they were almost all literate as that was a priority with Jewish people to read and understand scripture.It is simply not true that they were illiterate, and wherever the gospel has gone throughout the pagan world, so also has literacy!
Just because there is an ignorant subculture which holds to a shallow and inadequate view of the Bible, it doesn’t mean that the Bible is not the Word of God.
Few had a new testament. :)
Some people were literate and some were illiterate. This was before the invention of the printing press, and all that that implies.
ust because there is an ignorant subculture which holds to a shallow and inadequate view of the Bible, it doesn’t mean that the Bible is not the Word of God.
I agree, but you would be amazed how literate the Jewish world was. Mastery of scripture for every man was a requirement of their religion.
That is true.
Yes. I think they were quite literate, the gentiles, less so. And I believe Paul’s Ministry was to the Gentiles. With his vast knowledge of the old covenant, that would make sense.
What I believe this viewpoint totally misses is that there actually is TRUTH behind the accounts in Scripture and that the demonic forces opposed to this truth have been at work counterfeiting that truth (before and after) so that it causes doubt among those who would seek to know it. Those who deny the resurrection, for example, don't or won't consider that the disciples of Jesus Christ chose to die horrible deaths rather than deny what they had seen with their own eyes. Now, I know some people will die for a lie (i.e., Islamists), but NO ONE dies for something they know is a lie.
God promised that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, that He WILL be found when we search for Him with all our hearts. The light of the truth dawns on all those who sincerely want to know it - I can testify that it happened in my own life.
Well stated.
Is arguing over this man, the most productive use of your time?
But by the end of the first century A.D., they had a group of writings that made up what we know today as the New Testament. They were LIVING the creation of the New Testament and their local congregations received the writings from the Apostles and disciples as they were written, copied and distributed throughout the region and then the world.
A good exposition of this is The Formation of the Canon of the New Testament.
Yes. Good, insightful post. You quote Paul, as he is mentoring Timothy regarding the leadership, polity, and deportment of the church at Ephesus, noting that eventually the main person of influence was sliding into apostasy (Rev. 2:4) even though Timothy had been one of the Pauline mentors of its elders.
Paul's first canonical epistle to Timothy is all about godliness--that is, deportment--of the church and of its constituents. Godliness is the manifestation of a mystery unperceived in pre-Christian times, but now revealed at the time God opened the gates of access to Him through the Blood of Christ (1 Tim. 3:16).
The two prominent facets of godliness are manifested in orthodoxy (conforming to established doctrine), and piety (devoutness).
In chapter 4, Paul sums up for Timothy all that he has taught him, and it is from this that we can begin to categorize both aspects, as Timothy would have indoctrinated the Ephesian church.
What has happened to us today is a slide bit by bit from the orthodoxy of the first churches (Acts 2:42) and piety (Acts 2:43), first into unorthodox Romanism and Byzantine practices that became a redefined orthodoxy, that of the statist church, the religious organ of the emperor/king; and subsequently through the ages until now, until we have experienced such a plethora of unorthodoxy that it has become standard, and the Way of The Cross has been lost.
What you describe of Jordan Peterson is just another outbreak of irregularity that would not have been tolerated for centuries, but in the last fifty years now is. But applying Paul's counsel to Timothy in this instance, with the rule--the measuring stick--being the Bible alone and the behavior of the apostles and churches described in it (Php. 3:16-19), we see that one should not be yoked with this philosophizer who cannot be exercising spiritual discernment, and to walk away from his kind of thinking, for it is contaminating whatever it touches and influences (2 Cor. 6:14-7:1). Touch not the unclean thing(s): Gods, idols, archetypes, atavars, movie stars, Allahs-who-have-no-sons, Andrew Carnegies, etc. They are illusions that produce delusions. But they are sly edgewise approachers, apparently like this Jordan Peterson.
This is a time of soul-warning, Pastor, that goes beyond soul-winning; and thank you for sounding the klaxon on this!
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come" (2Ti_3:1 AV).
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; . . . " (1 Tim 4:1-2 AV)
". . . Having a form of godliness(orthodoxy and piety), but denying the power thereof:
from such turn away" (2Ti 3:5 AV).
Preach/post it, Brother! Amen! (Especially about the unorthodoxy that has become the current standard in the present concept of "orthodoxy" throughout Christendom.)
“While my brother is a Freudian, I am a strict Jungian. So there’ll be no blaming mommy today.”
Niles Crane filling in on brother Frasier’s radio show.
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