You guys can go talk amongst yourselves.
I'm a Catholic and I'm not into false ecumenism.
As far as I care about you and your posse:
Posted on 11/03/2017 11:55:48 AM PDT by ebb tide
Actually, it’s NOT eagleone telling you what you must do.
It’s your own church’s laws telling you what you must do.
And your own church’s laws say that you have to be in submission to the Pope no matter how evil he is, or else you’re not Catholic and damned to Hell.
Don’t blame us for quoting your own church’s laws in your direction; blame your church for making them in the first place.
Standing by for another temper tantrum.
Your pope's words. You're Roman Catholic. You have no choice.
Thing is, I reject ALL those proclamations as being contrary to the received Word of God.
But YOU don’t. YOU have to obey them if you want salvation. And you CAN’T pick which ones to obey and which ones you can’t.
You HAVE to submit to ‘Bergoglio’ and obey him or else you’re not Catholic. I’m not saying it; your own church laws say it.
Yes, I am standing by for your next temper tantrum; you always throw a fit when you’re confronted with truth.
According to your own church law, you have to submit to Pope Francis or else you’re a heretic and condemned to Hell. And you’re not allowed to make judgments about whether or not Francis is a heretic; only he is allowed.
According to your own church that you worship so much, you aren’t allowed to dissent.
That is utterly false. And stop telling me what I have to do.
How would you like me telling you have to do in your cult?
I cannot obey two masters.
The astute reader will note the difference in what is revealed in Scripture and what is claimed by Roman Catholicism.
There is a difference.
5For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
6But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),
7or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
Romans 10:5-13 NASB
Two corrections:
* I don't worship a "church". I worship God.
* All Catholics are obliged to voice dissent with heretics, even if they be priests, bishops, cardinals or even a pope.
I’m quoting your own church law at you. It’s not me saying what you have to do; it’s the Catholic Church saying what you have to do.
Don’t blame the messenger just because you don’t like the message.
Again, according to Roman Catholicism, you HAVE to be in submission to the Pope. There is no escape clause; there is no excuse; there is no plea bargain. If you don’t submit to the Pope, you’re not Catholic. I’m not the one who says this; the Roman Catholic Church that you love so much says it.
If you insist that you can’t obey two masters, you’re not Catholic. And it’s not me saying so; it’s the Catholic Church saying so. You’re a heretic, just like me, according to Rome.
38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
Two replies:
A: Oh, you don’t worship a church? Then why is it that when you argue with me, you always quote church doctrine, church sayings, church saints? I cannot, off the top of my head, EVER remember you EVER quoting Scripture.
In fact, whenever I, or Elsie, or boatbums, or metmom quote Scripture, you outright reject it.
So yes, that leads me to a statement about worshiping the church.
Reply B:
Oh, really? You’re obligated to dissent against heresy, hmm? That’s nice. Too bad you’re NOT allowed to decide that Francis is a heretic, and you’re not allowed to decide what IS heresy.
I quote one of your own church doctors:
“The Instruction on the Ecclesial Vocation of the Theologian issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has addressed this matter. It recognized that theologians (and others) might question not only the form but even the substantive content of some authoritatively proposed magisterial teachings. It held that it is permissible in such instances to withhold assent, to raise questions (and present them to the magisterium), to discuss the issues with other theologians (and be humble enough to accept criticism of one’s own views by them). Theologians (and others) can propose their views as hypotheses to be considered and tested by other theologians and ultimately to be judged by those who have, within the Church, the solemn obligation of settling disputes and speaking the mind of Christ.
But it taught one is not giving a true obsequium religiosum if one dissents from magisterial teaching and proposes one’s own position as a position that the faithful are at liberty to follow, substituting it for the teaching of the magisterium. But this is precisely what has been occurring. Dissent of this kind is not compatible with the obsequium religiosum. In fact, those who dissent in this way really usurp the teaching office of bishops and popes. Theologians, insofar as they are theologians, are not pastors in the Church. When they instruct the faithful that the teachings of those who are pastors in the Church (the pope and bishops) are false and that the faithful can put those teachings aside and put in their place their own theological opinions, they are harming the Church and arrogantly assuming for themselves the pastoral role of pope and bishops.
Dissent, understood in this sense, is thus completely incompatible with the obsequium religiosum required for teachings authoritatively but not infallibly proposed.”
In other words, you’re not allowed to accuse Francis of heresy. You’re just a layman. You should shut up, according to Rome.
And while we’re at it, a quote from one of your saints.
“Even if [the Pope were an incarnate devil], we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. ... He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope.” ~St. Catherine of Siena
Assuming that these reports are accurate, I believe it would add a massive impediment to any hope for restoration of communion between Rome and Orthodoxy.
You guys can go talk amongst yourselves.
I'm a Catholic and I'm not into false ecumenism.
As far as I care about you and your posse:
I don’t blame y’all one bit.
He seems more anxious to make peace with heretics rather than with the Orthodox Church.
HA.
Yes. Yes you do reject Scripture, every time we post it. Claiming that you don’t doesn’t change the fact that you’ve done so every time we’ve posted it.
Besides, the point remains that you’re violating your own canon law with this thread of yours, and if you still hold Unam Sanctam, you’re no longer part of the One Holy blah blah blah Roman cult.
You violate canon law daily with these threads. If you admitted it and then said that particular canon law was wrong, then I’d totally respect you for that.
But you hate all of us for violating Unam Sanctam while you violate it even louder and longer than we ever do, because you violate it while claiming to be a faithful Catholic.
As it is, I just do this for a laugh at the ever-prideful ebb throwing a tantrum.
And what position of authority do you have to be able to sit in judgment of your pope?
Who gave it to you?
FWIW, your own church forbids you from doing anything but submitting to the pope and the church at risk of your eternal soul.
Your college of cardinals elected this pope. Since they are guided by God in that selection (according to some here) by resisting the pope you are resisting the will of God.
Seems that we non-Catholics know Catholicism better than most Catholics.
Sad isn't it. Seems a lot of Roman Catholics have not read much of the plethora of writings that stand in contradiction of the New Testament...or, perhaps, in what they believe Roman Catholicism to be.
You giving us a warning?
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