Papal adviser: We can no longer ‘judge people’ based on moral norms

https://www.lifesitenews.com ^ | October 6, 2017 | Pete Baklinski

[circlecity]

Wow, here we have a top papal advisor denying the existence of moral absolutes or even an objective morality at all.

[circlecity]

"Let’s face it - it isn’t religion’s place to judge -"

While we are not to judge individuals, we are certainly called up to judge certain behaviors as right or wrong.

[Maverick68]

So these people have decided they know better than God?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Very good point. We MUST judge objective, observable moral facts: words as true or false; ideas and ideologies as good or bad; acts as right or wrong.

We MUST NOT judge a person’s inner state or his/her eternal destiny, since these things are known to God alone.

[Campion]

It is completely defined by what Popes have said and done for 600 years.

600 years? What changed 600 years ago?

When a person calls themselves the Vicar of Christ and use that power to alter the interpretation of the Gospel

Care to cite specific examples? Nobody believed in Luther's doctrine of extrinsic grace before Luther. Seems like he certainly "altered ... the interpretation of the Gospel". Does he get a free pass from you?

I think you're making it clear that you never considered Catholics to be Christians in the first place.

[Campion]

A distinction without a difference.

So, since President Trump can fire and hire a number of Federal employees at will, this is precisely the same as him being able to amend the Constitution on his own authority ... a "distinction without a difference". Right?

Please tell me you aren't a lawyer.

[CodeToad]

I guess God is just a fad so why bother with the Catholic church? I mean, if it is just entertainment, there are betters ways to be entertained.

[CodeToad]

“since President Trump can fire and hire a number of Federal employees at will, this is precisely the same as him being able to amend the Constitution on his own authority “

Illogical analogy. Changing the number of people that execute the laws of the nation is not the same as changing the laws or the constitution.

[Bryanw92]

>>I think you’re making it clear that you never considered Catholics to be Christians in the first place.

You could think that but it wouldn’t be correct. I think most Catholics are Christian. I don’t believe that the RCC organization is Christian. The universal (small c catholic) church is Jesus and the body of believers, not the last vestiges of a dead empire in Rome and certainly not in a Marxist Pope who was elected by the organization’s Cardinals.

[Bryanw92]

>>Nobody believed in Luther’s doctrine of extrinsic grace before Luther.

No one? Rome was executing Reformers for a century before Luther. And there was this guy named Paul. Ask your priest about him.

[Huaynero]

what next, a hymn version of “I Did It My Way” or perhaps go full bore and build a new and improved Tower of Babel in Vatican Square.

[NKP_Vet]

The popes job is to safeguard the truth as handed down for the last 2,000 years. Good popes rarely speak in public and when they do you can bet your bottom dollar they speak the faith. The Catholic Church has not had a pope since B16th “resigned.”

[trebb]

While we are not to judge individuals, we are certainly called up to judge certain behaviors as right or wrong.

Being "discerning" is fine - just seems that these days far too many are in the judgement business and totally forget their own sinfulness or carrying the Word because they get so involved in the sins of others.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

So all you people who married opposite sex partners, especially the homos who went to conversion therapy to get the job done, and intend on staying with them for life, or remaining single after divorce? Y’all are chumps, say these new “Catholics.”

[rollo tomasi]

Seasoned Christians are to judge other *seasoned* Christians (Especially leaders of the Church), God judges those outside the Church. Christians preach the Gospel to those outside the Church, while holding Biblical standards within. You are correct, we judge ourselves and repent, however Matthew 18: 15-19, John 7:24, 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, Romans 16:17-18,

Right now society is crumbling, one main reason is that we have “churches” tolerating and accepting sin *within* them.

[trebb]

Yep - we help each other see when we stumble and lovingly help correct the issue.

All the fire and brimstone condemnation, while ignoring that we deserve Hell as much as 99.999% of those we condemn is useless and against all Christian Principles...many forget that Jesus told us of the 2 commandments that satisfied all of the others: (version I use)

Love God with every fiber of your being ::: Love your neighbor as yourself -- for where there is Love, there is no harm and that in and of itself fulfills the intent of the law.....

[rollo tomasi]

Love involves many aspects including correction, does it not? Christ preached tough love as well and told His Disciples to do the same. Heck, tough love was basically the Old Testament. The very purpose of “many are called, few are chosen” and wide/narrow gates should clue you in. The body-the Church Age in our temporal world right now is a beacon of love, which includes correction and discipline within the Church.

Find out why Anton LaVey started his “church” after his observation. The same reason why many unbelievers mock the Christian Church now. This reaction against these observations have led to looser standards. The many “churches” in Europe and offshoots in the US which accept every behavior imaginable cry that they “love” too.

Your fire and brimstone strawman ignores enumerated Biblical standards that the body are commanded to apply in order to love a person, not to hell, but in the direction of salvation through Christ.