Posted on 09/29/2017 6:14:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
Thanks for bringing this out. It is a saving grace for Germans, even for those of us Americans of German origins to see that there was resistance to the monstrous evil of the Nazis.
My father was too young to join in the fight, but his older brother did, in the 8th Army Air Force. We bombed our ancestral homeland because we had to.
On my mother’s side, Italian-American, and two uncles joined in the fight. There was no hesitancy about this. We didn’t stay neutral.
You can have all the theories you want about politics and economic systems. But, there are times of moral clarity. When you reach down deep inside yourself and discover or maybe decide what kind of a man you are. The job of the church is to inform our consciouses. Not to tell us how to vote.
You think Catholics secretly plotting to kill Hitler is neutrality?
Do you think they should have first "officially" announced their plans?
Did "neutral" Japan officialy declare war on the United States before it bombed Pearl Harbor?
Jesuits...what do you expect?
I have no problem with the Catholic Church instructing Catholics to vote "No" on legalized abortion, homosexual marriages, forced gay adoptions, etc (not that Francis does; all he cares about is welcoming muslim invaders and hugging trees).
And one more point on the Catholic Church during the Nazi era:
If you want to make me say Catholics are either all good or all bad, you will be disappointed.
Let me lay out my thinking and what I think is your thinking:
MY THINKING:
The Catholics were wrong to advocate fascism.
Fascism is wrong. But, it’s not evil.
While fascist Italy allied with Nazi Germany, the Italians did not embrace race-based genocide.
The Catholics were wrong to remain officially neutral in a war involving the monstrous evil of Naziism
Even so, many Catholics, as individuals, resisted Naziism.
YOUR THINKING:
I want to emphasize that many Catholics, as individuals, resisted the monstrous evil of Nazism.
I don’t see where we disagree. We agree on the one thing that you actually are willing to state. I haven’t heard you say that you that you think fascism is good, or that Nazism wasn’t a monstrous evil. Since silence implies consent, I take we actually agree about those matters as well. But, if you want to say that fascism is good, or that Nazism isn’t so bad that it’s o.k. to be officially neutral about it, please do so.
I can understand that you don’t like being criticized for being Catholic. Would you consider that one of your boys, Fr. Martin, called me a Nazi? Do you think the Catholic Church represents God well when it resorts to name calling?
Fr. Martin has also called all orthodox Catholics, who disagree with him, "nazis". That's why I posted this article.
The homosexual, Fr Martin, represents neither the Catholic Church nor God; but he appears to represent Jorge Bergoglio with no resulting repercussions.
I never thought you were criticizing me for being a Catholic, or for any other reason. I'm merely stating the truth about Catholics and the Catholic Church during the Nazi era.
I will admit, however, that there have been some bad Catholics; see my tagline.
Because he's doing so much damage by misleading so many people. He has over half a million followers on Facebook and almost 150,000 on Twitter and has a best-selling book.
As shown by the election figures for 1932.
First the percentage of Catholics.
And then the Nazi vote.
So much for the modern myth. Click on the pictures to show the detail.
Source: Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn ""Liberty or Equality".
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Thank you, ebb. My Italian grandfather told me he believed in the church but not in the priests. Pope John Paul II put the same idea (as I understand it) this way: don’t judge the church for the sins of its members. In a little book, Pope John Paul II described his role as both to be the Chief Executive of the world’s largest religious denomination, and also to speak for all Catholics, and in a wider circle for all Christians, and in yet a wider circle for all persons of faith, mindful of the things we share and where we diverge. I don’t recall him being a name-caller, especially not calling other Catholics and other Christians Nazis.
Maybe I should just keep it to myself.
“... But with the Pope carrying the Church to perdition, and nothing really happening to offset it, I also admit it’s getting harder for me to deal with.”
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What about Pope Benedict? Is he really retired or was he forced out?
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