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A Love Letter to Christians Who Can’t Take the Sunday Production Anymore
Ponder Anew ^ | MAY 24, 2017 | JONATHAN AIGNER

Posted on 09/19/2017 6:22:17 PM PDT by hiho hiho

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To: sparklite2

We do - we attend a home church.


21 posted on 09/19/2017 7:34:42 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( I would LOVE to have my old "substandard" insurance back. It didn't mean $24K annual out of pocket)
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To: \/\/ayne

The raucous modern music is designed to guilt trip the money to fall out of your pockets.


22 posted on 09/19/2017 7:34:42 PM PDT by fulltlt
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To: sparklite2

Not the sermons, the songs. Some are written to stir emotions, not necessarily spiritual introspection.

The newer ones are better by: Gettys, Redman, Balosch, Philips, Craig and Dean are great. The 7/11 songs were bad.(7 words/lines sung 11 times)


23 posted on 09/19/2017 7:38:10 PM PDT by madison10 (Praying for President Trump and more wisdom for him)
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To: hiho hiho

“Songs of faith have been replaced by remarkably vapid, thoroughly mundane jesusy ditties.”

Like this guy’s writing if you ask me.

If you don’t like modern worship - don’t go to that service, or don’t go to that church. I like traditional, but can tolerate modern worship. (Our church does both). The main thing to me is Biblical based preaching. Left our family’s long-time church when it strayed from that. Yes it was difficult, but often doing the right thing is.


24 posted on 09/19/2017 7:39:45 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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To: hiho hiho
Come back to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church instituted by Christ.

Coming Home Network


25 posted on 09/19/2017 7:41:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: madison10

No, I mean the guilt-inducing, emotionally manipulating sermons. I found them the rule in Southern Baptist churches, getting less so as one moves toward the more liturgical denominations But yes, songs can be like that, too.


26 posted on 09/19/2017 7:46:16 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: hiho hiho

The reason I (we) need rest is my spouse and I are both employed there. We do too much other stuff which has nothing to do with our supposed gifts. Gifts are ignored if those in charge do not respect those God given attributes.

We are burned out, but need the $$$.


27 posted on 09/19/2017 7:46:57 PM PDT by madison10 (Praying for President Trump and more wisdom for him)
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To: fulltlt
I don't see that; I just see people perhaps sometimes misguided in my view choosing certain music for worship. However, I stay away from prosperity theology so maybe I'm just missing those churches who are greedy for money.

All the churches I go to have their finances very public and we can all see they don't make a lot of money for themselves. Also I don't hear them trying to guilt people out of money. I remember one church where the pastor did preach on tithing every few years because it is in the Bible. I just happened to bring a friend from work on one of those rare occations and he was convinced the pastor just wanted money and did not want to come back.

Later that guy joined the Mormons who strictly require tithing. Go figure.
28 posted on 09/19/2017 7:51:33 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: hiho hiho
Sermons are guided by what the pastor says God is telling him (and it’s usually a him, unfortunately), not by a lectionary or a liturgical calendar.

Let me get this staright. The author thinks sermons should be based on a liturgical calendar? Wow.

29 posted on 09/19/2017 8:02:39 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: TADSLOS; hiho hiho
"A Safe Space?"

No, a reverent, holy place...

30 posted on 09/19/2017 8:03:38 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: hiho hiho

There were those who infiltrated to co-opt the church.

And some congregations haven’t taken it lightly.

In Houston there was a battle within a Presbyterian church to break away from the Leftist overrun CPUSA, but there was a vote and the nationalist church pwns the real estate.

You can “leave” but they keep the wealth. And the messaging.

Same as with corporations, they’ve infiltrated them and are willing to see them collapse.

So much of what “was” is just a shell/husk these days. Malls, newspapers, news broadcasts. Political leadership. Higher learning.


31 posted on 09/19/2017 8:06:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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To: fulltlt

That sounds like a great way to do it.   (More churches should adopt that method.)


32 posted on 09/19/2017 8:10:14 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: hiho hiho

A lot of my family attends a church where a stage has replaced the altar and a giant screen has replaced the hymnal. It’s like they go to church to be entertained rather for worship. I prefer a small, traditional church.


33 posted on 09/19/2017 8:13:54 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: hiho hiho

Find another Church. There are many to suit your needs. Don’t get all the bluster.


34 posted on 09/19/2017 8:32:17 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: hiho hiho

Unfortunately, you can’t even post this article without somebody coming along trying to flame you. Lots of venom on these forums.


35 posted on 09/19/2017 8:33:49 PM PDT by EliRoom8 ("I hope Neil Young will remember...Southern Man don't need him around anyhow.")
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To: 21twelve; VeryTrue

“Songs of faith have been replaced by remarkably vapid, thoroughly mundane jesusy ditties.”

Very true. Well said.


36 posted on 09/19/2017 8:40:14 PM PDT by EliRoom8 ("I hope Neil Young will remember...Southern Man don't need him around anyhow.")
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To: All

Bump


37 posted on 09/19/2017 8:46:27 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: hiho hiho

I’m a Catholic convert (and Lord knows contemporary Catholic worship is mostly ghastly), but I always appreciated the old style Protestant hymns. This letter (assuming it is written by a Protestant) makes me wonder if Protestants even sing the old hymns anymore?


38 posted on 09/19/2017 9:03:52 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: hiho hiho

I can relate to this article.

We left a larger church (1500 on Sundays) where we attended 18 years for a smaller church (400 on Sundays). The size of the church wasn’t the issue, but the “worship” service had become a problem.

When we first began attending our old church we had an orchestra and choir and decent Bible teaching.

Then in a drive to become “relevant” to the community the choir and orchestra disappeared and we got a loud rock band with mood lighting followed by a 20 minute “talk” sometimes without even using the Bible. The relevancy brought in new people, but others left frustrated with how the “worship” service had become about the 45 minute rock concert with a manic drummer and guitarists showing their skills by ripping Led Zeppelin runs in the middle of a “worship” song.

We also finally left. It took us a while to find our current church. It also meant sitting out of church for while until we found one that concentrated on scripture. It is a smaller church without a glitzy rock band or mind-numbing repetitive phrases to sing.

Our new pastor teaches for a solid hour in exegesis format. Our songs are a mixture of hymns and praise songs that incorporate Bible truths.

The new church is not glitzy and not on TV but our pastor delivers solid biblical teaching twice a week.

What a refreshment to our souls this has been.


39 posted on 09/19/2017 9:04:28 PM PDT by Texas56
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To: 21twelve; hiho hiho; fulltlt
Gracefully Graces Me

;-)

40 posted on 09/19/2017 9:15:15 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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