The Vatican Took Down the Bible From Their Web Site!

Data Tech Guy Blog ^ | 7/14/17

[Salvation]

RSV Bible Search

http://www.ewtn.com/devotionals/biblesearch.asp

[redleghunter]

The Greek says “one.” Which means one. Not two or more. One mediator.

[RegulatorCountry]

Dang, the FRoman Luther Love/Hate merry-go-round is spinning faster and faster, that was much too quick.

But, thanks! It was great for the few moments it lasted!

Let me get this straight, though, you now claim to hold Martin Luther in low esteem because he credited the Roman Catholic Church for the Bible?

Am I understanding your position correctly? Because it sure sounds to me as if you held him in high esteem, to have cited him in support of your church.

[redleghunter]

Not according to the website.

[Salvation]

I was asked to give a source for that quote. The one given was the only one I could find.

Are you misquoting me again. This gets old very fast. Good night.

[Religion Moderator]

The poster did not quote you at all.

To continue to ask the poster if they misquoted you is superfluous and unnecessary.

If you ping me, make sure I can find the issue that has bothered you.

[RegulatorCountry]

It seemed clear to me that you held Martin Luther in some level of high esteem, to be citing him in support of your own church, Salvation. Otherwise, why would you be citing him, as your only interest appears to be promoting your church?

But, given your replies, apparently I was incorrect about that and you don’t hold Martin Luther in any level of esteem at all. That makes your citing him in support of your church somewhat puzzling, but I’m certainly not going to presume to read your mind as to your reasoning for doing this.

[VRWC For Truth]

Replaced with Mein Kamf ...

[VRWC For Truth]

Replaced with Mein Kampf ...

[Joe Boucher]

Hey Catholics,
You sure picked a weiner with this pope.
Mooselimb butt kissing marxist that he is

[Joe Boucher]

Hey Catholics,
You sure picked a weiner with this pope.
Mooselimb butt kissing marxist that he is

[piusv]

Next up: all the pre-Vatican II documents that actually teach the Catholic Faith.

[piusv]

Since 1983...of course....when JPII codified Vatican II in his 1983 Code of Canon Law.

So predictable.

[piusv]

But that Bible is not post 1983.

[daniel1212]

Perhaps you should read the history of the assembly of the Bible. It was the Catholic Church who assembled it, and it was Luther who made changes, namely declaring certain books non-Canonical.

You need to get some education on the issue. contrary to RC propaganda, scholarly disagreements over the canonicity (proper) of certain books continued down through centuries and right into Trent, until it provided the first "infallible," indisputable canon - after the death of Luther, whose stated non-binding canon Protestantism does not fully ascribe to.

[ealgeone]

Hat tip to daniel1212 for this.

The Catholic Study Bible, Oxford University Press, 1990, p. RG27: "The final definitive list of biblical books (including the seven additional Old Testament books) was only drawn up at the council of Trent in 1546. “Most Christians had followed St. Augustine and included the 'Apocrypha' in the canon, but St. Jerome, who excluded them, had always had his defenders." (Joseph Lienhard, The Bible, The Church, And Authority [Collegeville, Minnesota: The Liturgical Press, 1995], p. 59)

As Catholic Church historian and recognized authority on Trent (2400 page history, and author of over 700 books, etc.), Hubert Jedin (1900-1980) observes, it also put a full stop to the 1000-year-old development of the biblical canon (History of the Council of Trent [London, 1961] 91, quoted by Raymond Edward Brown, American Roman Catholic priest and Biblical scholar, in The New Jerome biblical commentary, p. 1168)

[daniel1212]

So much to choose from: USCCB Approved Translations of the Sacred Scriptures for Private Use and Study by Catholics 1983 - Present

Having become unable to no longer hinder the masses as a whole from personally possessing and directly reading Scripture, Rome came to actually follow Protestantism in affirming it (as in ancient days). And as the devil works to both keep Scripture from souls from Scripture or to misconstrue its meaning, or reduce or negate its authority, thus besides always engaging in the second practice, the issue with modern Rome is the last recourse, as seen in her own NAB (New American bible) Bible study helps and notes for decades.

And while RCs are told to follow their pastors as docile sheep, from the same bishops who affirm the NAB comes this:

We feel sure that as representatives of Islam, you join in our prayers to the Almighty, that he may grant all African believers the desire for pardon and reconciliation so often commended in the Gospels and in the Qur’an... We gladly recall also those confessors of the Muslim faith who were the first to suffer death, in the year 1848, for refusing to transgress the precepts of their religion.” — Paul VI, address to the Islamic communities of Uganda, August 1, 1969.

“I deliberately address you as brothers: that is certainly what we are, because we are members of the same human family, whose efforts, whether people realize it or not, tend toward God and the truth that comes from him. But we are especially brothers in God, who created us and whom we are trying to reach, in our own ways, through faith, prayer and worship, through the keeping of his law and through submission to his designs...

“Dear Muslims, my brothers: I would like to add that we Christians, just like you, seek the basis and model of mercy in God himself, the God to whom your Book gives the very beautiful name of al-Rahman, while the Bible calls him al-Rahum, the Merciful One.” - John Paul II, address to representatives of Muslims of the Philippines, February 20, 1981

“As Christians and Muslims, we encounter one another in faith in the one God, our Creator and guide, our just and merciful judge. - John Paul II, address to representatives of the Muslims of Belgium, May 19, 1985

We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection...Both of us believe in one God, the only God, - John Paul II , address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985

Christians and Muslims, together with the followers of the Jewish religion, belong to what can be called ‘the tradition of Abraham.’..Our Creator and our final judge desires that we live together. Our God is a God of peace, who desires peace among those who live according to His commandments. Our God is the holy God who desires that those who call upon Him live in ways that are holy and upright. -John Paul II, address to Islamic leaders of Senegal, Dakar, February 22, 1992 -http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm

[daniel1212]

You should pick the Greek language (the language of composition), where you would learn that the verse does not say, and cannot be made to say, "only one mediator". The word in Greek is heis ("one, unique, primary"), not monos ("exactly one, one only").

1Ti 2:5  For there is one [heis] God, and one [heis] mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 

Indeed we should study. Consistent with your argument even "there is one God" is to be excluded as teaching there is only one God, and likewise many other texts can be said to be simply stating a preeminence, not as only one person, hand, etc. (versus heis not always necessarily meaning only one):

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one [heis] Lord: (Mark 12:29)

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.  (Mat 5:18 )

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (Matthew 5:29)

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (Matthew 6:24)

How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? (Matthew 18:12)

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:17)

And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. (Matthew 26:21)

Total as one in KJV: one, 237 Mat_5:18, Mat_5:29-30 (2), Mat_6:24 (2), Mat_6:27, Mat_10:29 (2), Mat_10:42, Mat_12:11, Mat_13:46, Mat_16:14, Mat_18:5-6 (2), Mat_18:10, Mat_18:12, Mat_18:14, Mat_18:16, Mat_18:24, Mat_18:28, Mat_19:16-17 (2), Mat_20:13, Mat_20:21, Mat_21:24, Mat_22:35, Mat_23:8-10 (3), Mat_23:15, Mat_24:40-41 (2), Mat_25:15, Mat_25:18, Mat_25:24, Mat_25:40, Mat_25:45, Mat_26:14, Mat_26:21, Mat_26:47, Mat_26:51, Mat_27:38, Mat_27:48, Mar_5:22, Mar_6:15, Mar_8:14, Mar_8:28, Mar_9:17, Mar_9:37, Mar_9:42, Mar_10:17-18 (2), Mar_10:21, Mar_10:37, Mar_11:29, Mar_12:6, Mar_12:28-29 (2), Mar_12:32, Mar_13:1, Mar_14:10, Mar_14:18-20 (4), Mar_14:43, Mar_14:47, Mar_15:6, Mar_15:27, Mar_15:36, Luk_4:40, Luk_5:3, Luk_7:41, Luk_9:8, Luk_10:42, Luk_11:46, Luk_12:6, Luk_12:25, Luk_12:27, Luk_12:52, Luk_15:4, Luk_15:7, Luk_15:10, Luk_15:19, Luk_15:26, Luk_16:5, Luk_16:13 (2), Luk_17:2, Luk_17:15, Luk_17:34, Luk_17:36, Luk_18:10, Luk_18:19, Luk_18:22, Luk_20:3, Luk_22:47, Luk_22:50, Luk_23:17, Luk_23:39, Luk_24:18, Joh_1:40, Joh_6:8, Joh_6:22, Joh_6:70-71 (2), Joh_7:21, Joh_7:50, Joh_8:9 (2), Joh_8:41, Joh_9:25, Joh_10:16, Joh_10:30, Joh_11:49-50 (2), Joh_11:52, Joh_12:2, Joh_12:4, Joh_13:21, Joh_13:23, Joh_17:11, Joh_17:21-23 (5), Joh_18:14, Joh_18:22, Joh_18:26, Joh_18:39, Joh_19:34, Joh_20:12, Joh_21:24-25 (2), Act_1:22, Act_11:28, Act_17:26-27 (2), Act_20:31, Act_21:26, Act_23:6, Act_23:17, Act_28:25, Rom_3:10, Rom_3:12, Rom_3:30, Rom_5:12, Rom_5:15-19 (11), Rom_9:10, Rom_15:4-6 (4), 1Co_3:8, 1Co_4:6 (2), 1Co_6:16-17 (2), 1Co_8:4, 1Co_8:6 (2), 1Co_9:24, 1Co_10:17 (3), 1Co_11:5, 1Co_12:11-14 (8), 1Co_12:18-20 (3), 1Co_14:26-27 (3), 1Co_14:31 (2), 2Co_5:14, 2Co_11:2, Gal_3:16, Gal_3:20 (2), Gal_3:28, Gal_4:22, Eph_2:14-16 (4), Eph_2:18, Eph_4:4-7 (6), Phi_1:27, Phi_2:2, Phi_3:13, Col_3:15, 1Th_5:11 (2), 2Th_1:3, 1Ti_2:5 (2), 1Ti_5:9, Heb_11:11-12 (2), Jam_2:10, Jam_2:19, Jam_4:12, 2Pe_3:8, 1Jo_5:7-8 (2), Rev_5:5, Rev_6:1, Rev_7:13, Rev_15:7, Rev_17:1, Rev_17:10, Rev_21:21

Regardless of the heis argument, it remains that in Scripture the risen Lord Jesus is the only Heavenly intercessor btwn God and man, the only one stated to be making incessant intercession for believers, to whom they are to look, and by whom they have direct access into the holy of holies in Heaven, and the only one in Heaven prayed to besides the Father. (Hebrews 4:15; 7:25; 10:19; 1 Corinthians 1:2)

[daniel1212]

"We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all."

Which is somewhat of a misquote from Luther, whom some RCs imagine is some sort of infallible pope to us, taken out of context in order to support the fantasy that being instrumentally used of God, and the stewards Divine revelation means such is the infallible interpreters of it. But which in context is what Luther is actually arguing against. is not the case.

As the preeminent Internet researcher James Swan explains ,

Luther insists they who make this claim are just like the Old Testament Jewish leadership. They claimed to be God’s people (and at one time they were), but because of sin and corruption, they actually persecuted God’s true people. They did not heed the words of the prophets. Luther notes that the plight of the true Christian in such a circumstance is exceedingly difficult.

For indeed, the church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, (Mt. 23:2) who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture, "because that unto them were committed the oracles of God," (Rm. 3:2) to whom pertaineth" the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises" (Rm. 9:4) of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation as they believed, (Gn. 12:2,3; 17:4,7,8; Ex. 19:5; Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Ps, 11:4,9; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34; Jer. 7:23)

And instead they followed an itinerant Preacher whom the magisterium rejected, and whom the Messiah reproved them Scripture as being supreme, (Mk. 7:2-16) and established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)

Next time you want to do paste anti-Prot Luther (who was actually quite Catholic before Rome rejected his 95 thesis) quote, do a search here .

[Biggirl]

....Or 73 books. : ).