Posted on 07/10/2017 2:23:50 PM PDT by WhatNot
You just link and run, eh? You’re no fun. LOL
**Sorry, everyone In the meme I accidently wrote Acts 2:8 when I meant Ephesians 2:8-9, please excuse the error, sometimes I do this when I have many other things going on.**
Ahh yes, the Ephesians. Who, after the preaching of Paul, were rebaptized; this time in the name of the Lord Jesus. They received the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Phillipians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
When someone says they want to go back to Mount Sinai and be put back under the law, is to bring themselves back under the curse of the law.
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
When a person has the Jesus Christ of Bible Christianity, he has everything God wanted to accomplish with His law and with His prophets.
The conversion of a lost sinner!
Who because of what Christ did for him on the cross may now enter into His marvellous eternal and glorious Kingdom
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
How come we agreeing all of a sudden? You’re supposed to be on the other side.
I’m actually preparing a sermon. I’m not a pastor but have been asked to preach and it takes quite a long time to prepare. I’m under a lot of pressure this week and don’t have time to try to try to untangle your understanding of the gospel and the law. But if you are in fact an Adventist, as I suspect, I’d love to see you free from the bondage that group heaps on its members. I have family ensnared by Adventists and, while sincere, they are ignorant of the Scriptures. They don’t understand Christ sets us free from the demands of the law for righteousness. Come to Him, He will give you rest. You can’t add your works (law keeping) to grace. Grace and works cannot mix (see Romans 11). Christ is rich in mercy and mighty to save. He doesn’t need man’s help to save. He has paid the sin debt in full.
“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” Galatians 2:21
Please watch those videos and God bless.
“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died” (Romans 7:1-9)
You do know that Jesus Christ was a minister to the circumcision, right? So if you do not understand biblical dispensations - you are reading someone else’s mail.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Galatians 2:19-21)
You will need to do some simple research on the term “schoolmaster” to understand this next passage . . .
“And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” (Galatians 3:17-25).
I say you need to look it up because God appreciates it when people “study to shew themselves approved unto God.”
If you have not a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ then I am afraid that none of this will make any sense to you until to come to Christ as the above passage indicates.
Otherwise,
The natural man understandeth NOT the things of the spirit of God, neither can he know them . . .
LOL. I was just trying to help you. You are insulting and needlessly beligerent in these discussions so forgive me if I don’t engage. I don’t have time for it.
Well, alrighty then.
Again we are in agreement. We are all looking at the same verses and nodding yes. But the message is lost on the majority it seems. Matt. 22:14
Let me guess . . . you did not read any of the verses I supplied.
Paul says that many will “hold the truth in unrighteousness” . . . or suppress it . . . so that they will refuse to accept it to their own destruction, “because they loved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
Maybe I read them and interpreted them in a different way than you. Many of the verses supplied by posters uphold my position. Therein lies the confusion.
I like things simple. I'm a simple person. The Gospel is simple enough for peasants like me.
My question to you is "Is there going to be sin in Heaven?" If the answer is Yes, then you don't know God. If the answer is No, how will we know if there is no Law? Sin is the transgression of the Law. No Law = No Sin. The time to get used to following the Law is now. God wants obedient children. If you love Me, keep my Commandments. That's simple.
If you feel comfortable ripping verses out of their context so that you can have your own private interpretation - go for it - we will hopefully get to have this conversation again in about a 1,000 years or so - if folks are allowed to talk at the Great White Throne.
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. (I Timothy 1:5-11)
Exactly!
It’s is the law’s role to bring men to Christ which is what the verses in Galatians 4 are meant to teach.
The righteous man does not need the law for salvation, yet in doing the things of the law without the law necessity pleases God.
As believers, we are free to do what we want . . . we just don’t want to do the things I used to do any more and we seek to live not only for God, but as a testimony and a witness to those that need Christ.
God forbid that we should be a stumblingblock or a cause for a lost person to say that they would have become a Christian if it were not for us (though it is still a lie).
I never mentioned a works salvation. Salvation is by faith. But your Bible says in James 2:14 (NKJV) — 14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? (The “no” here is clearly implied). . . . 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Like I said with my first post — it’s not hard to understand unless you want a easy do nothing salvation — faith is what is required, but a faith that is alive and not dead. I’m not saying anything controversial, and very in line with the Bible.
You can twist it if you’d like, but an easy and dead faith will not save you.
Charles Spurgeon wrote.... “There is no point upon which men make greater mistakes than upon the relation which exists between the law and the gospel..... Some men put the law instead of the gospel: others put the gospel instead of the law; some modify the law and the gospel, and preach neither law nor gospel: and others entirely abrogate the law, by bringing in the gospel. .....Many there are who think that the law is the gospel, and who teach that men by good works of benevolence, honesty, righteousness, and sobriety, may be saved.
Such men do err. On the other hand, many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved, such men err from the truth, and understand it not....... A certain class maintain that the law and the gospel are ‘mixed’, and that partly by observance of the law, and partly by God’s grace, men are saved. .....These men understand not the truth, and are false teachers. …
The coming of the law is explained in regard to its objects: “Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound.” Then comes the mission of the gospel: “But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.”
The law came through Moses, grace came by Jesus Christ. The law is synonymous of Moses, grace is synonymous to Christ.
This law within our hearts is placed there by God. It will more closely match the true spirit of the law rather than just the letter of the law the religious leaders and the proud boast about. This happens when we trust in Jesus Christ to save us. We ARE saved by the grace of God through faith and not by our works. A genuine faith will show forth in the way we live our lives before God and others. But our works or our obedience to the law does not save us - only faith can do that because we have the righteousness of Christ and not our own. There will be no bragging or prideful boasting in heaven over what we did for God because we got there because of what He did for us.
Hi! Interesting that we both quoted Spurgeon. He was an amazing Bible teacher.
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