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N Pelosi says homosexuality is ‘consistent’ with Catholicism. Are Church leaders taking her lead?
Life Site News ^ | June 22, 2017 | DOUG MAINWARING

Posted on 06/23/2017 2:50:49 PM PDT by NYer

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To: onedoug

Ah...


81 posted on 06/25/2017 3:28:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: IrishBrigade

I kinda imagine it’s is similar to ILLEGAL aliens not being governed by the laws of this land.


82 posted on 06/25/2017 3:31:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation

I ‘ignored’ him/her on purpose....


83 posted on 06/25/2017 3:33:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vaquero

Any Catholic priest who’s an apologist for homosexual acts is a homosexual himself. Bergoglio’s constant heretical babblings, starting with the ridiculous “Who am I to judge” emboldens all the sodomite priests. They no longer have any fear of letting anyone know who they really are because they know have a friend and protector sitting in the Chair of Peter. All these apostates stick their finger up at the church because they know the current pope will not do one thing about it. He only “corrects” and criticizes faithful Catholics. Never heretics.


84 posted on 06/25/2017 5:51:13 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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To: Luircin

Benedict is out because he was trying to clean up the stench of sodomy. The Lavender Mafia controls the Vatican.


85 posted on 06/25/2017 6:00:02 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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To: NKP_Vet

Francis is the Obama of Popes

The Fisherman wants his shoes back.


86 posted on 06/25/2017 6:56:08 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Salvation
Personal and mindreading.

Do not post opinions as if they are facts, especially if they are addressed to another poster.

Stick with the issues, do not make it personal

87 posted on 06/25/2017 5:17:58 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

https://www.catholic.com/qa/if-im-baptized-as-a-catholic-does-that-mean-im-catholic-forever-even-if-i-marry-outside-the


88 posted on 06/25/2017 6:39:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Religion Moderator; All
And the article with the facts:

If I'm baptized as a Catholic, does that mean I'm Catholic forever, even if I marry outside the Church?

August 4, 2011

Full Question

Once people are baptized Catholic, are they Catholic forever? What if they marry outside of the Church or join another religion? If they aren't Catholic anymore, how can they become Catholic again?

Answer

Once someone is validly baptized, Catholic or otherwise, he is baptized forever (CIC 845). One can never lose baptism or become "unbaptized," although one might lose the benefits of baptism by personal sin. But as to whether someone baptized Catholic is thereafter always Catholic, that's a slightly different question.

In most cases, the answer will be that someone baptized Catholic remains Catholic (see CIC 111, 205). But, by implication of canon 205--which requires, to be considered in full communion with the Church, a basic profession of the faith, some level of sacramental participation, and some degree of submission to ecclesiastical governance--one can imagine circumstances under which someone who was baptized Catholic might reject any or all of these elements to the point at which he could not be considered fully Catholic anymore, nothwithstanding the fact that he remained baptized.

In support of this interpretation, keep in mind that the Code of Canon Law contains a norm that, although dealing with technical requirements related to marriage, has implications for your question. Canon 1117 requires that canonical form for marriage be observed by anyone baptized Catholic unless that person has "left the Church by a formal act of defection." The 1983 Code does not define "formal act of defection," but clearly the concept of leaving the Church, as opposed to simply lapsing in one's faith or breaking the laws of the Church, exists in canon law and has repercussions in Church life.

While what is really needed here is an "authentic interpretation" by Roman authorities as to what constitutes a formal act of defection, a few things seem clear: (1) merely marrying outside the Church does not by itself count as a formal act of defection, and such a person would still be considered Catholic under canon law (albeit perhaps a "bad" Catholic and certainly one in an invalid marriage); (2) mere attendance at the services of another denomination, even if over a long period of time, does not constitute a formal act of defection from the Church; and (3) the failure to practice one's Catholic faith, even over a long period of time, does not constitute a formal act of defection.

That said, it is generally accepted that formal registration in another denomination, especially when coupled with support or work for that denomination and extended participation in its religious services, does constitute a formal act of defection from the Catholic Church. For that matter, a public declaration of defection from the Church, under otherwise credible circumstances, might well constitute a formal act of defection, since registration in another denomination is not strictly required for defection to take place. In any case, though, since Catholic baptism establishes a canonical presumption of Catholic affiliation, canonical proof of defection from the Church must be produced to overcome that presumption.

Finally, as to how one can come back into the Church, canon law does not specify a procedure to be used. The "abjuration of errors" formerly required by canon law under certain situations similar to the one you describe (1917 CIC 2314) has not been carried over in the 1983 Code. Therefore, I think that sacramental confession is generally the best route to follow. If there had been some public act (say, a letter to one's bishop) by which one's formal defection was accomplished, I think it prudent to repudiate such an act in the same or a similar public manner so as to remove any lingering doubts about one's ecclesiastical status.

All of this deals with one's juridic (legal) status as a Catholic. It does not deal with other forms of union one may have with the Catholic Church, such as the moral obligations one has toward the Church, even when one is in rebellion against it. The Code itself acknowledges the existence of certain continuing legal obligations to the Church, even after a formal defection. Canon 11 states that ecclesiastical laws bind those baptized or received into the Catholic Church, but the Code nowhere makes express provision for the corresponding legal obligations to be obviated when a person defects from the Church (except in a few cases, such as observing the Catholic form of marriage). Thus, for example, a priest who formally has defected from the Church is still bound by his vow of celibacy.


89 posted on 06/25/2017 6:41:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

My post #87 to you concerning your post #49 stays in effect and is a valid exhortation:

“Personal and mindreading”

The article you posted does not change the fact that you went outside the guidelines of the Religion Forum.

[When posting an article you need to include a valid link along with it.]

Please avoid doing that in the future and bear in mind that I do not argue or debate with posters.


90 posted on 06/25/2017 8:18:52 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

The link was included in the post above:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3563607/posts?page=88#88


91 posted on 06/25/2017 8:31:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
[When posting an article you need to include a valid link along with it]

You included a link that went to 404 Not Found.

92 posted on 06/25/2017 8:52:08 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Salvation

Enough with the monitor already. The ENFORCER is here!!

93 posted on 06/26/2017 5:14:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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