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HOW TO ACT TOWARDS INVALIDLY MARRIED CATHOLICS [Catholic Caucus]
The Liguorian ^ | March 17, 1957 | Donald F. Miller, C.SS.R.

Posted on 06/16/2017 8:55:05 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: who_would_fardels_bear
So then you agree with my earlier point: Don't ask, don't tell.

No, I don't. I'm not Bill Clinton.

If a Catholic baker is requested to bake a wedding cake for "Jack and John" or "Jill and Jane"; no questions need to be asked.

41 posted on 06/16/2017 8:50:13 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
What about John and Jane where they both present themselves as devout Catholics, but John fails to mention he's divorced and did not have his previous marriage annulled?

How will the Catholic baker know not to bake them a cake?

42 posted on 06/16/2017 8:59:26 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Do you think Catholic bakers just bake cakes for Catholics?

If so, I doubt your sanity.


43 posted on 06/16/2017 9:09:06 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

If your daughter comes home from college with her live-in boy friend, will you let them sleep in the same room?


44 posted on 06/16/2017 9:12:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
What about John and Jane where they both present themselves as devout Catholics,...

What about the same John and Jane presenting themselves for Holy Communion in a neighboring parish? Do you expect to the priest to demand marriage certificates from each communicant beforehand?

46 posted on 06/16/2017 9:53:16 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
And see how Catholics today are attacking that teaching, here on this forum?

I think those Catholics believe the Church actually started in 1960.

47 posted on 06/17/2017 6:03:45 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

What do you think the martyrs would think of your temporal concerns? I am not saying that we all have the courage of the martyrs, but, reality is, Catholics are called to make sacrifices for Christ.


48 posted on 06/17/2017 6:07:06 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide
"Do you think Catholic bakers just bake cakes for Catholics?"

No.

"If your daughter comes home from college with her live-in boy friend, will you let them sleep in the same room?"

No.

"What about the same John and Jane presenting themselves for Holy Communion in a neighboring parish? Do you expect to the priest to demand marriage certificates from each communicant beforehand?"

No.

49 posted on 06/17/2017 6:42:12 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: piusv
I'm fortunate enough to work in a profession which does not force me to act against my conscience. So I can continue to make a decent salary, support my family, etc. without endangering my soul.

I believe it would be very presumptuous of me to tell a baker (or florist, wedding photographer, hotelier, banquet room proprietor, etc.) that he must deny products and services to customers if he knows they will be used in support of an invalid wedding.

Given the current climate such a business owner would almost certainly be sued putting his business, his family, and his employees in financial jeopardy.

Personally I believe that the Catholic Church has failed its members with regard to these issues. When pharmacists were required to sell morning after pills or lose their jobs the Catholic Church should have organized mass protests in support of Catholic pharmacists. Instead, individual pharmacists were left to face the legal and political consequences on their own. Similar incidents are happening with regard to bakers, florists, photographers, etc. The Church only seems to care when the current unconstitutional nonsense directly impacts Catholic institutions, but even then only with tepid opposition.

Some may find it very easy to ask others to be martyrs at a time when they lack even the support of the Church. I don't.

50 posted on 06/17/2017 6:56:23 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
You never answered the question. What would the martyrs think of your temporal concerns?

I never said (nor has the Church ever said) making sacrifices for Christ would be easy. That doesn't change the FACT that we are all called to do so. You shouldn't be wagging your fingers at those who are merely speaking the Truth.

51 posted on 06/17/2017 7:07:37 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I'm fortunate enough to work in a profession which does not force me to act against my conscience.

Why should any good Catholic succumb to acting against his conscience?


52 posted on 06/17/2017 3:19:18 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
The Execution of Sir Thomas More


53 posted on 06/17/2017 3:37:20 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Some may find it very easy to ask others to be martyrs at a time when they lack even the support of the Church. I don't.

No kidding?

54 posted on 06/17/2017 6:14:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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