Posted on 05/21/2017 5:44:12 PM PDT by Lera
“...give us your view on dispensationalism...”
It is nonsense.
That’s what I thought!
You’re nothing but a troll then. Figures...
That’s what I thought!!!! to.
Rather than resort to chapter and verse, you attacked me.
Now, if you can gather your little mind together enough, maybe you can explain how it was that Christianity progressed and flourished up through the 19th century, when dispensationalism was first advanced by Darby. In other words, most of existence of Christianity existed before your precious nonsense was ever offered.
You can’t tell whether the speechwriter is a believer, but whoever he or she was, the exactly right things were said, in my opinion, and the exactly right things not said. It was a tightrope walk without a net. Sounded to me like a believer but you can’t be sure.
One of the pastors at my church once did a sermon on “God Edits Our Prayers.” That is why we don’t always get precisely what we ask for. And it also allows for people who pray to Mary and the other saints, deceased relatives, or even perhaps even to Allah. God knows the heart of the beseecher and praiser and directs those prayers to Himself, while always working to have them send their prayers directly to Him.
All you have to do is show up and pray.
And God loves the Muslims. He wants them in his flock.
You don’t believe that God has two sets of people that He works with: Jews & Christians?
You don’t believe in literal Biblical interpretation (don’t worry most people don’t either - you’re in “good company” if you don’t)?
The Darby straw-man is a lazy tactical favorite of folks who don’t bother to open up 1 & 2 Thessalonians, The Gospel of John and even Revelation.
It’s been there all along from Jesus’ owns words to Paul & John, but you clowns just seem to make stuff up as you go to suite your agenda.
“You don’t believe that God has two sets of people that He works with: Jews & Christians?”
No, because Paul said there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female....all in the same boat needing redemption.
You can’t find the term dispensationalism before Darby and Scofield, and certainly not in the books you mentioned.
IN CHRIST there is neither Jew nor Greek.
Jews don’t have Christ, so they are apart from Christians. Two different groups. Re-read Galatians 3:28.
And no you are cannot find the term dispensationalism, because it had to be defined first by later scholars trying to understand how God deals with sin-depraved humanity.
Nobody born before Christ came and died could be given grace thru faith.
Galatians 3 (KJV)
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
Abraham - father of the faithful; agreed to sacrifice his only begotten son, the event that allowed God to establish his covenant and send Jesus. Not a thing to do with dispensationalism, or God working separately with the Jews. If Jews don’t accept Christ, then they have sealed their fate, just like anyone else. The scripture says God is no respecter of persons.
Jesus wept over Jerusalem after they rejected him and their destruction was on His mind when he walked to his crucifixion. There was nothing He could do for them. There was no separate path for them. The Jewish nation was eradicated as a state in 70 AD. Evidently 90% killed, if not more.
In Revelation, the harlot riding on the beast? That was the Jewish leaders working in concert with Rome to kill Christians, just as they had done to crucify Jesus.
So tell me...
Do you think it’s pretty good for you to be talking crap about me on a thread I never touched?
Just bring up my name and trash me? When I’m not on the thread?
Really?
How were Jews “saved” in the OT?
How are Jews & Gentiles saved now post the Crucifixion of Messiah Jesus?
How will Tribulation Saints be saved during the reign of the Antichrist?
You cannot say it’s the same for all three groups.
Hey, there you go again talking crap about someone without pinging them.
You must really be a snot-dripping little coward, huh?
How were Jews “saved” in the OT? Paul said in Romans they looked forward, as it were, to the sacrifice of Christ.
How are Jews & Gentiles saved now post the Crucifixion of Messiah Jesus? Do you really not know? “If you confess with thou mouth....”
How will Tribulation Saints be saved during the reign of the Antichrist? Same as saints have always been saved. We are ALL saved by the sacrificial atonement of Jesus. No other way under heaven.
I do apologize for not pinging you when I first mentioned you. I’ll make sure to do that in the future.
“Paul said in Romans they looked forward, as it were, to the sacrifice of Christ.”
They also had to sacrifice doves and lambs for their sins. Something NT Christians don’t have to do since Christ is our Passover Lamb.
Tribulation Saints will need to “stand firm to the end” or persevere, a lot different than just believe and accept. Matthew 24:12-13 is talking directly about Tribulation Saints and them standing firm to the end.
See the parable of the 10 virgins for more on this.
“Tribulation Saints will need to “stand firm to the end” or persevere, a lot different than just believe and accept.”
That goes for everyone.
I guess you realize that there is no salvation in believing your little pet doctrines, no matter how arrogant you are. Our salvation is through Jesus Christ exclusively, and if you think you or anyone else knows the full counsel of God you are deceiving yourself. This conversation is tedious. Have a nice day.
It’s a different Salvation for different people.
That’s the whole point of Dispensationalism.
Israel (OT Saints), Christians (NT Saints) and Tribulation Saints are obliged to act accordingly to their place on the timeline.
We’re so blessed to be living in the Age of Grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). Not many people agree with that, but it’s on them to decide what is important.
God Bless
“It’s a different Salvation for different people.”
Certainly you can cite chapter and verse for that statement. Otherwise, someone just pulled it out of thin air.
I don’t appreciate you saying I pull things out of thin air. You’re calling me a liar, when I’ve cited scripture to you.
Re-read the parable of the 10 virgins.
That refers to the salvation of those during the Tribulation. “Holding to the end” means they’ll have to prove themselves. Grace thru faith will still be involved, but they’ll have to hold onto that faith.
Or maybe you’re one of those who just wants to argue?
“I don’t appreciate you saying I pull things out of thin air.”
Well, you certainly did not get it from the Bible. So where else did it come from? Am I supposed to be bound by someone claiming to extrapolate something from the Bible that is not there?
Jesus said that when you put you hands to the plow, you can’t look back. Nothing to do with the Tribulation.
It isn’t from the Bible?
Why did the Israelites practice blood sacrifices then?
Why did they offer burnt offerings?
What does this verse mean you think?
Leviticus 17:11
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.
This was before Christ came to earth by well over a thousand years. Well before John 19:30.
Maybe you don’t believe in a Tribulation where new Christians will get their head lopped off?
The Holy Spirit will not “seal these Christians”. They must actually work for their salvation. I’ve given you the verses, you choose to ignore it and call me a liar by saying I don’t get it from the Bible.
Perhaps you should read the Bible more?
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