Pope signals he's open to married Catholic men becoming priests

CNN ^ | March 10, 2017 | Delia Gallagher

[Salvation]

Won’t happen.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Couldn’t he just order it with an edict if he wanted to?

[Old Yeller]

This has been the issue destroying the priesthood of the RCC for as long as its been mandated.

I have read that catholic seminaries are teaming with homos. This way nobody questions why they have no interest in marriage or women. It's a great cover for them without having to openly come out of the closet and disappoint their parents.

[elhombrelibre]

Yes, I noticed that after I posted it. It’s a little too late when you re-read after posting to edit a folly.

[MichaelCorleone]

VERY good post; very well thought out.

I wish I could have stated it as succinctly as you did.

[MichaelCorleone]

“I’m not sure why ordaining married men to the priesthood would cause a schism.”

What I meant was this may well be the ‘straw that breaks the camel’s back’ in the RCC, as the Pope has been a heretic (imo) almost from the beginning. There is already great division and angst in the Church now due to Benedict XVI resigning and getting replaced by this type of Pope.

Clearly we are in uncharted waters; there are already a growing number of people longing for the pre-Vatican II days. I am also one of those who thinks Vat-II was a major mistake.

[sargon]

...the Pope has been a heretic (imo) almost from the beginning.

That may be true, but there's certainly no reason that allowing priests to be married should cause a schism, inasmuch as the practice of forbidding marriage to priests is entirely man-made and non-Biblical.

We all know that Peter, ostensibly first pope, was a married man, so I'm unclear as to why this "rule" was ever promulgated in the first place. It seems utterly gratuitous, and, worse, it seems to suggest that sex is somehow sinful, even within the confines of a monogamous heterosexual union.

I just don't get the man-made addons. That sort of thing is specifically warned against in New Testament scripture...

[MichaelCorleone]

I guess I’ll just refer to you post #45. This poster states it better than I am able.

Other than that, we’ll just have to accept we have a difference of opinion.

[mumblypeg]

Btw, the Bible verse I cited is 1 Cor. 7:32-34.
This was St. Paul, an unmarried man, speaking.
According to extra-canonical tradition, it is believed that Peter’s wife may have died at some point prior to his travels and evangelism, but it’s not that big a deal. The personal sexual histories of the apostles wouldn’t be the deciding factor anyway. The divinely inspired Word of God would be, and we believe St. Paul spells it out pretty succinctly here.
This is what I was taught in my RCIA class when I converted to Catholicism, which was led by a Deacon. The parish Priest popped in occasionally.
RCIA classes are fun and open not only to adults considering conversion, but also to Catholics who want to delve deeper into their faith and ask questions on things we’re unclear about—why Catholics do what we do.
After I was baptized and confirmed, I signed up for RCIA again for several years!

[ravenwolf]

St Peter who was the first Pope was married.

[ravenwolf]

If there’s such a shortage of priests, then why not ordain women as well?

---

WoW, do you get that from the Bible?

[ravenwolf]

This Pope just won’t stop until half the Catholic Church mimics the Episcopal Church.

---

It looks like he is at least trying to go along with what the Bible says on this issue.

[ravenwolf]

I’ve always thought that the requirement that priest be unmarried is a financial decision, lest the Church have to support whole families. But I really dislike this crazy ass “Pope”.

---

I believe Bishops, Deacons and the presbyters are the only tittles as far as the Church is concerned, and it seems to me that the presbyters are just the others as a group.

But it does clearly state that the bishops and Deacons must be the husband of one wife, meaning they can not have more than one wife.

But it seems that these are the only ones who are allowed to be married, as you said it would be a financial burden on the Church if all of the working members started bringing in their families.

[ravenwolf]

Better married than gay.

---

For dammed sure.

[ravenwolf]

I’m not arguing that there were not “elders.”

---

The elders were the ones appointed to be Bishops and deacons, also in some of the Bibles it puts an elder into the position of a Bishop which it also calls a priest.

Titus 1:5
Appointment of Elders on Crete

For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:

6If any be without crime, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of riot, or unruly.

7For a bishop must be without crime, as the steward of God: not proud, not subject to anger, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre:

8But given to hospitality, gentle, sober, just, holy, continent: 9Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers.

[editor-surveyor]

.
>> “The elders were the ones appointed to be Bishops and deacons” <<

Bishop is the same as Pastor. A Pastor is way more than just an ‘elder,’ he’s a well studied teacher.

A deacon is closer to Elder, a dedicated member of the congregation, but still needing to learn much.

When Paul appointed a Pastor, it was because he saw strong evidence that he was well qualified both socially, (married with children) and spiritually (much fruit).
.

[daniel1212]

I've seen reports suggesting that priestly celibacy was a major reason why the Catholic Church survived (and even thrived) behind the Iron Curtain when every other Christian denomination basically became arms of totalitarian governments.

Actually it was evangelical Christians such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer who opposed such, and were often martyred for it, while you mean the Catholic Church survived often due to basically totalitarian Catholic governments.

Such as who obeyed the pope in exterminating those it deemed "heretics."

[daniel1212]

Such as who obeyed the pope in exterminating those it deemed "heretics."

Or at least worked toward that end.

[Gamecock]

Couldn't he speak ex cathedra and be infallible?

[Elsie]

I’m not arguing that there were not “elders.” But “elders” were not of the same stature as the teachers that the apostles left in charge as they moved on.

INDEED!

Read (and listen) to MORE about 'elders'.

---

 

 

Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 

---

If the above link does NOT function; try THIS one.   Click on the second image.

 

http://mormontruthnews.blogspot.com/2006/10/robert-millet-former-dean-of-religious_01.html

---

 

 

Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."